Tractor & Repulser weapons

Taera · #1 April 15th, 2002, 10:25 PM

Hi all.
A question that had been bugging me for a while already. Both SEIII and SEIV have the same "feature" - tractor and repulser weapons affect only ships/objects of same-or-less tonnage that the firing ship.
Is there any way to bend this rule?
Increasing the weapon mount does not fix that, only increases the effect (massive mount repulsers are fun).
So, any answer to the question?

Suicide Junkie · #2 April 15th, 2002, 10:34 PM

Hmm. Make all ships the same size, and just require them to have space-wasting components in order to adjust the useful space?

EG:
remove MCs.
All ships are 1500 KT.
Lifesupport becomes a Lifesupport/Crewquarters combo for play purposes. Size is 20KT.
Crew quarters are 50KT, and free, and 1 hitpoint (zero if you can).
Escort requires 27 Crew Quarters. After adding the required crewquarters, you are left with 150KT, which is escort size!

PvK · #3 April 15th, 2002, 10:54 PM

Well, you could do that a little more efficiently by having higher levels of ship construction provide smaller but more expensive basic systems.

This seems like a pretty drastic solution just to be able to use tractor/repulsors against larger targets, but the only other way I can think of is to bug Malfador to make it an optional ability.

PvK

P.S.: This would also break the size limits on mounts, too.

[ 15 April 2002: Message edited by: PvK ]

Bman · #4 April 15th, 2002, 10:59 PM

Well, what I do not understand is why the smaller ship is not moved? If they make it so that you can only move ships smaller than you, then you should be able to use a repulser beam against a baseship to move your ship out of the way. That would be cool.

Captain Kwok · #5 April 15th, 2002, 11:07 PM

Bman,

I like that idea. Just think if one of your smaller ships takes a beating and loses its engines, you might be able to push it out of harms way. It wouldn't take much work on Malfador's part to change that either.

Taera · #6 April 16th, 2002, 09:27 PM

SJ the idea is good but i do not mod the game to fit my needs, i fit my needs to the game. I never mod or play some of the wierd mods.

BMan - great idea. But this does already "exist" - the wormhole weapon. It realy does move the target away. Im more interested in the tractor beam.
When you put it on larger mounts the 'damage' increases, but whats the use of pulling a ship say 6 range (i think thats the range) with the power of 12 when it will anyway move 6?

Lisif Deoral · #7 April 16th, 2002, 10:49 PM

quote:
Originally posted by Taera:
When you put it on larger mounts the 'damage' increases, but whats the use of pulling a ship say 6 range (i think thats the range) with the power of 12 when it will anyway move 6?

BTW, the damage listed in the tractor/repulser beam info is real damage, not only the amount of squares the target is moved. It doesn't change much, but... Don't use special mounts for tractor beams (you'll just waste space and resources).

DirectorTsaarx · #8 April 16th, 2002, 10:55 PM

quote:
Originally posted by Taera:
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Im more interested in the tractor beam.
When you put it on larger mounts the 'damage' increases, but whats the use of pulling a ship say 6 range (i think thats the range) with the power of 12 when it will anyway move 6?

For ships, you're right; there's no reason to use larger mount tractor beams. But for weapon platform and base mounts that also extend range, the heavier mount tractor beams serve a purpose.

Bman · #9 April 16th, 2002, 11:03 PM

quote:
Originally posted by Taera:
BMan - great idea. But this does already "exist" - the wormhole weapon. It realy does move the target away. Im more interested in the tractor beam.

The wormhole weapon moves the target randomly. What I was suggesting was what *should* happen with a tractor/repulser weapon against bigger ships given the logic Malfador is using. This would still allow them to be useful in combat on small ships. The disadvantage is the tractor beam would move *your* ship close to the enemy (and thus the enemy fleet) and the repulsor beam would move *your* ship further from the enemy (and back into your fleet).

dmm · #10 April 17th, 2002, 12:08 AM

Well, I know what I would do if tractor and repulser beams worked the way you want. I would put them on ships one size smaller than my enemy was using and would fit them out with a short-range high-damage weapon. Tractor yourself in, fire, repulse yourself out. You don't even need MP. And you thought the missile dance was bad. Would also be great for kamikazes, boarders, drones, and troop transports.

OTOH, bigger ships can do that now, in reverse, to smaller and same-size ships. So it can't be terribly unbalancing. At least, I haven't heard anyone complain. Can anyone think of a reason why this is less unbalancing than the above would be?