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The River Flows Frozen
Got to finish this one, i was about to scrap it (because it's hard to make it both playable and historical), but here it goes anyways.
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The River Flows Frozen
Date: March 15, 1969
Battle Location: Damansky Island, USSR
Battle Type: Soviet assault vs PRC defend
Description: The battle takes on place on Soviet-Chinese border, Primorsky Krai. After several smaller clashes over the disputed Damansky Island, Soviet Union decides to retake the island once for all. Several elements of the 135th Motorised Division arrive near the vicinity of the island that is now controlled by the PRC troops and prepare to assault the island.
The battle saw first use of BM-21 Grad MLRS as well as then secret T-62.
After devastating bombardment causing massive casualties on the PRC side, Soviet troops recaptured the island with minimal losses.
Notes: If played against the AI the human player should take the Soviet side.
Sources: D. S. Ryabushkin, The Damansky Myths, Moscow 2004.
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Tried to keep the units ratio (can't do multiple thousand chinese army in SPMBT) and TOE realistic. This one might be too easy for Soviets (and it was devastating victory historically).
Map is based on old soviet topographic map, because the map vegetation has changed quite a bit in last forty years.
It might not be very suitable for PBEM, as there will be massive overload penalty for the Soviet player, but ..
Any coments, results and so on are welcome.
EDIT: Final version 2 is attached.
Changes:
- Vastly reworked OOB for both sides
- PRC will now get historical reinforcements and try to retake the island (human waves)
- The Grad salvo now goes full (see the scenario notes in briefing)
- The frozen Ussuri river now has some patches of 'clear' land on it, to allow proper tank movement (as it was historically), so it should be possible to operate around the island with BTRs and T-62s without fear of sinking them, if done carefully
- Fixed victory points
- Some other minor stuff
Again, thanks for input to everyone! If played correctly as USSR, it's possible to achieve historical result (even in casualties).
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November 1st, 2014, 11:02 AM
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Re: The River Flows Frozen
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The River Flows Frozen
Date: March 15, 1969
Battle Location: Damansky Island, USSR
Battle Type: Soviet assault vs PRC defend
Tried to keep the units ratio (can't do multiple thousand chinese army in SPMBT) and TOE realistic.
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While we may not be able to replicate multiple thousands of Chinese troops, we could introduce multitudes of Chinese army troops in a way that simulates this historic battle in WinSPMBT. I'll take the "The River Flows Frozen" for a test drive and report back.
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Re: The River Flows Frozen
An interesting article on how the conflict escalated from brawls to a shooting war
http://www.militaryphotos.net/forums...p/t-65600.html
Clash over the Damanski Island of Ussuri River
On March 2, 1969, Chinese and Soviet forces clashed on obscure Damanski (Chen Pao) Island in the Ussuri River, and the Soviets suffered thirty-four killed. Given the heavy Soviet casualties, and the circumstance that only a Soviet border patrol was involved, logic leads to the conclusion that, as charged by Moscow, China initiated the attack.
The Chinese claimed victory, but the evidence indicates that the Soviets brought up reinforcements and reoccupied the island. Then, in a note delivered to the Soviet embassy and published in Peking on March 13, the Chinese charged new Soviet aggressions in the disputed sector - as if building up a case. Soviet Defense Minister Lin Piao made a tour of inspection to the Damanski sector. On March 15, there was a new, and much bigger, armed clash on that battleground.
I´ve found good article (published in 2004) describing the conflict through the eyes of Vitaly Bubenin, Lieutenant General, Soviet border troops veteran (later ALFA commander)
“IN COMPARISON WITH TODAY’S SPECIAL FORCES, WE WERE BARELY ARMED”
Every Russian border guard holds great respect for the heroes of Damanski. Hero of the Soviet Union Vitaly Bubenin, Lieut. Gen. (ret.), was a first lieutenant at the time. His service record also includes the commanding posts with Alfa, a special antiterrorist unit of the KGB. Just like an Izvestia correspondent suspected, “the truth about the armed conflict on Damanski is even grimmer than the picture painted by the media”.
The hunt for Bubenin and Strelnikov is on
Fierce hand-to-hand fights between the Soviet border guards from a border post Sopki Kulebyakinskiye which I commanded at the time and the Chinese soldiers had been going on for a year prior to the clashes on Damanski. My boys would normally overpower the Chinese in those close fights on the iced river. Most of my soldiers were the stocky Siberians with huge fists of a foundry’s workers so the Chinese stood no chances of a win at the beginning. Then they brought in reinforcements from Northern China and each Siberian would be confronted by a cluster of Chinese servicemen armed with boat hooks, pickets and sticks with spiked heads. We didn’t have body armor back then. My combatants were wearing thick winter sheepskin jackets. Those jackets were good for saving my boys from the sticks with spikes. The fights occurred on a daily basis and one day we realized that we won’t last long by using our bare hands. We got ourselves some bear spears and maces with metal heads similar to those used by epic warriors. The new weapons proved to be just perfect during the first fight. We were using the bear spears to contain a advancing throng of attackers while swinging the maces to knock down those who somehow managed to filter through.
The weapons become hugely popular with all the border guards stationed around the area.
Ivan Streknikov and me, the commanders of the “sturdiest” border posts, were declared “the revisionists” by the Chinese. They posted our pictures on every fence in each village of Northern China. We became the celebrities of sorts. The Chinese were after us during those fights. The hunt was on. Once they grabbed another officer in the middle of a fight. They dragged him into a vehicle and took a better look at his face. Having realized that they got the wrong guy, they threw him out and rushed back to join the crowd of scuffling men in search for the right target.
There was the only purpose they were trying to achieve with those actions. They wanted us to pull the trigger. But no matter how bloody the fighting in the snow could be, we always kept our Kalashnikovs behind our backs. Once a young soldier, fresh from the boot camp, just couldn’t help firing a long burst at the wheels of a Chinese vehicle after they crossed his submachine gun’s strap around his neck and started dragging him away. The bullets hit the tires and the Chinese got scared. They jumped in the vehicle and rolled away on the rims. The incident got no publicity at the time.
“Don’t look now, just step on it”
Then the Chinese began taking their carbines for the fight on the ice. Then they attached bayonets to their carbines. We attached the bayonets too and switched into a counter bayonet charge. Then they filled the cartridge chambers of their carbines. The tension just kept going higher every day.
The most memorable fight involving more than a thousand men from both sides took part in January of 1968. A column of trucks pulled up on the other bank of the river. More than 800 troops dismounted and were warming up for a fight. Music was playing at a maximum, speakers were frothing at their mouths and the mob was roaring. We saw them distributing boat hooks and spiked sticks. “Looks like they’re going right to the limit this time, no bars held,” said to me an interpreter, a Korean kid. On our side of the river, we had only about three hundred “green caps” at the moment including a mobile motorized group that joined us in the nick of time. The fighting broke out and half an hour later I could see the enemy slowly but surely getting the upper hand. Something had to be done to change the situation. I climbed the APC and gave orders to a driver to cut the mob in two. “There’s people out there,” said the driver. “You don’t look now, just step on it,” I said to the driver and we moved forward. I sat on the armor at the front and kept the vision slits covered so that my humanistic driver might see nothing. Instead, I was directing him myself . I just shouted to him “turn it to the right” or “to the left now” as we moved along. When we finally turned around, I looked at the tracks and saw the bodies of four Chinamen lying in the snow. The rest of them fled to the other side of the river. They apparently didn’t bother to ask for a second helping.
Chinese authorities staged the sumptuous funeral one day later. The caskets were real topnotch. I still remember those caskets. And the Chinese news agency kept repeating my name over and over again.
“From that moment I fought the rest of the battle as if in my subconscious”
Than the clashes on Damanski took place. A Chinese battalion of estimated 400 soldiers
moved to the island under cover of the night. All of them were painstakingly disguised with snow. The Strelnikov group from the neighboring border post was the first to reach the island. The Chinese shot them at point-blank range while we were still moving in. Before reaching the island, we built a line and began advancing. Soon we came under heavy fire. We ran out of ammo pretty fast – back then a border guard carried only two ammo clips. We started to retreat. The Chinese mortars across the river went into action, they were shelling the area behind us in an effort to cut our retreat ways. I couldn’t make a single move since I was being shot at by a sniper and a machine gunner at the same time. I had to lie still and feel the sheepskin jacket on my back turning in rags. The bullets were ripping it apart. Luckily for me a shell landed really close and the blast wave rolled me out of my shelter. I found myself lying under the birch tree soon to be shaved by a burst from a machine gun, the trunk fell on the snow right before my body. The Chinese couldn’t see me for the time being. That was my first shell shock that I got during the fight. From that moment I was fighting on as if acting in some different world.
I made it to the river bank and got into an APC with a few soldiers. We flanked the enemy and took in the rear. The maneuver caught them really off-guard, they popped up one by one from the snow just seconds before our vehicle was about to roll them over. That when the reality started to sink in – they were hundreds of them. We spent the next two hours riding around their positions. We were just squashing and shooting them. After getting back to our bank of the river after completing another tour, I counted only four combatants who were still up and shooting. The rest were killed or wounded. We loaded the casualties into the APC and sent it to the border post. We embraced in silence, and, after a short while, we were on our way back to the island. All of us knew that the next combat would be the last.
Then our reinforcements came around. The missile launchers dealt a devastating blow on the island. The Chinese battalion was demoralized and crushed down. According to official sources, the Chinese lost more than 200 men in that battle. It was an unprecedented combat operation even by WW II standards, according to some military analysts. Three of us, Ivan Strelnikov, sergeant Yura Bababski, and myself were awarded the title of Hero of the Soviet Union. Ivan was awarded posthumously. Ten servicemen were awarded with the Order of the Red Banner. The rest got the Orders of the Red Star and other decorations.
“They always fell like a bolt out of the blue”
I got my transfer orders in 1974 and arrived in Moscow. Yuri Andropov, then the head of the KGB, appointed me the commander of a newly formed antiterrorist unit “A” or Alfa.
Terrorism had become a reality of life by that time and steps had to be taken to tackle terrorist activities. We handpicked the best out of the best for our team, mostly masters of sports and rated athletes. We tested all kinds of fire arms in search for the best one, from American M-16 to Israeli Uzi. We realized that our Kalashnikov was the best. Once we were testing the nerve gas on the rabbits. I got in the cab of a minivan for terrorists. The rabbits were put at the back, behind the Plexiglas window. We sealed the glass around the edges with modeling clay to keep the gas from leaking into the driver’s compartment. So went for a ride. Our escort group gave us a special sign, and all the doors along with an accelerator and a brake were locked up immediately. And then my head felt really heavy and my eye lids were starting to shut. We apparently failed to seal the window the way we should. I looked back and saw the poor creatures getting gassed, their long ears hung listlessly.
We used pigs for testing the flak jacket of a new type. We arrived in one of the pig-breeding farms near Moscow and chose the most awesome boar in a livestock. The flack jacket was then fixed on the animal. We fired a few rounds from our standard-issue weapons. The hog got lucky. The bullets couldn’t pierce the armor, they left only the dents on it. As a result, the new jacket became our standard piece of equipment.
Special training conducted on a regular basis enabled us to mold a special force composed of highly professional personnel. Our opponents in the combat training were no strangers to martial arts and target practice, most of them were the operatives with tons of experience from other departments of the KGB. One of them told me once that he “was on a lookout all the time trying to guess where the special force would come from. But they always fell like a bolt from the blue.”
People keep asking me if there’s any difference between today’s Alfa and the Alfa that operated in the past. I can tell you that they’re as different as heaven and hell. In comparison to the modern special forces, we were barely armed back then.
inauka.ru ( http://www.inauka.ru/english/article47379.html)
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One Day in Sergeant Babansky's Life
Alexandra Samarina
Thirty-four years ago, in March 1969, a Soviet-Chinese border conflict broke out on Damansky Island known in Chinese as Zhenbao. In violation of standing orders, a Soviet sergeant fired the first shot - becoming Hero of the Soviet Union
Yuri Babansky, 20, arrived at the Imansk border guard outpost a month before what was to become a central event in his life. He was transferred to this god-forsaken place on the Ussuri bank by way of disciplinary action, so to speak. The boy lacked discipline, and never finished high school. He enrolled in a vocational and technical college and then was drafted for military service, in the Border Troops. Hailing from the Kemerovo region, Siberia, he was a big, hefty fellow, which proved useful. By March 1969, there had been hundreds of illegal border crossings by the Chinese. Waving small red books with samples of Chairman Mao's wisdom, they urged our border guards to expose their revisionist bosses. "Your chief," they would shout, "is a toady to party leaders Brezhnev and Gromyko who follow a pro-U.S. policy."
Then political demands would be made: "Give us back our territory." In exchange they offered bagfuls of dried bread, packages of cigarettes, and bottles of sunflower oil. They seemed to have this odd idea that Soviet servicemen were undernourished.
As a matter of fact, Soviet border guards were pretty well-fed, and they would hold hands, forming a chain and pushing the intruders back to the Chinese bank. It was categorically forbidden to use weapons. True, the Chinese did not shoot either.
March 2 was a sunny day, a Sunday. It began, very much as usual, with an alert. The Chinese were out on the ice.
"We were not surprised," Babansky recalls. "We grabbed automatic rifles from the stacks, also taking flare guns and a radio station - everyone took whatever he was supposed to have on an allotment-of-task basis. We assembled in the courtyard. Our commander briefed us on the situation: Chinese adversaries were advancing. We were to expel them from our territory."
They went in three vehicles. The Babansky group was in the last vehicle, bringing up the rear.
"As we approached the island, I saw an empty armored personnel carrier. I asked the driver where the boys were. He said they had gone to chase the Chinese. I decided that I would not run after them but would make a flanking movement and intercept the intruders. We would rough them up a bit, as usual, and then send them home."
His decision proved fateful. Because an ambush had been set on the island. The main party, led by outpost commander Strelnikov, was massacred at point-black range. They had had no time to respond. Babansky witnessed the tragedy as he was running on the ice toward his comrades, and then he violated the order, forgetting for a while the Party and government's political decision. He commanded that fire be opened, and fired the first shot himself.
Bubenin, commander of a neighboring outpost, came to their aid. The Chinese began to retreat. The island was retaken. Then they evacuated the wounded.
"We carried them in our arms. We thought that the Chinese would shoot, but they didn't. We evacuated the wounded, put them in vehicles and sent them to the hospital. It was all over at about 1 p.m."
When Yuri returned to the outpost, he was struck by the serene environment, with music playing on the radio and lunch ready and waiting for them. True, no one was able to eat. They had a lump in their throats. All of a sudden he felt bitter.
"We were one on one with trouble. No one knew anything about us."
Yuri recalled Volodya Shusharin: He was to have gone home, but lingered on and got killed. He had twins at home waiting for him. Who was going to answer for this? Pasha Akulov, an athlete, an ice-hockey player, an erudite person, hailing from the village of Shushenskoye. He had been brought up in a single-parent family, without a father. He had a girlfriend waiting for him in his village. We kept talking about his plans for the future: where he was going to study and what he was going to be. Later on his body was returned to us by the Chinese - with marks of terrible torture.
There was another attack on March 15: This time around not only border guards but also regular army units were there to repulse it. The enemy suffered a devastating defeat. There were no major skirmishes after March 16. The total body count: 48 border guards killed. They did not count the Chinese: "I remember a machine-gunner. Also, an officer who was waving his arms, leading the attack."
Participants in those two border battles became heroes overnight.
"The first accounts were truthful. But after a while they got ‘fictionalized.' Names and events began to be confused and unknown names were cropping up."
On March 21, Babansky's citation was solemnly announced before servicemen in formation. Then he left the outpost. He returned in June, briefly, to meet with his former fellow servicemen and take a a speedboat ride past Damansky. He saw the Chinese hastily filling in a channel, thus incorporating the island in their territory. He was issued the card of a CPSU candidate member and given a present: an alarm clock.
"What does Damansky mean in your life?" I asked the former sergeant.
"It messed everything up for me. I had been preparing for a peaceful life. I wanted to live in my village, work as a technical maintenance specialist, fish in the Tom river, be near my former school teachers and friends."
But that was not to be. Perestroika found Yuri Babansky, 46, in Ukraine, with a general's rank, as deputy commander of district border troops. The government of the newly independent republic asked him to stay, but the general refused. He now lives in Moscow, working at the Railways Ministry head office.
By 1999, the underlying causes of such conflicts in the Far East had been eliminated - mainly through the transfer of disputed islands to China. This included Damansky.
"Do you not get a feeling that blood was spilled in vain?" I ask.
"I've had this feeling a long time. We should not have been sent into the line of fire in the first place. Because those disputes should have been settled through negotiations. The boys lost their lives needlessly."
Vladimir Khokhlov, a research associate with the Central Museum of the Russian Federal Border Service, comments on the history of the conflict:
"The 1858 and 1860 treaties with a map thereto (where the border between China and Russia was drawn in red pencil as passing near the Chinese coast) did not contain a specific description of the border line. Nor was it reviewed in the Soviet era. Yet under our state border law, on navigable rivers the border passes along the fairway and on non-navigable rivers, along the median line. The Chinese laid claim to islands that were beyond the fairway."
The Moscow News ( http://english.mn.ru/english/issue.php?2003-11-12)
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November 1st, 2014, 04:56 PM
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Re: The River Flows Frozen
Ah, some more things to read.
What i've figured out, is that the soviet border guards actually used the long stick to push the chinese out of the island. At least, so claim some sources.
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November 1st, 2014, 11:21 PM
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Re: The River Flows Frozen
Nice scenario Tomas. You've scored again. I would suggest adding additional Chinese troops into the scenario by using the Reinforcement turn. In this way, say after a number of turns, additional Chinese soldiers arrive and the scenario plays more to the historic battle with "multitudes" of Chinese Army troops. Further, I would recommend organizing the Chinese into companies rather than a series of platoons commanded directly by the A0 unit.
You have the tanks in front of the mech infantry units as we've come to know how the Russians fight with rocket forces and artillery leading their ground assault forces. I'm not certain, but I've always thought they learned those lessons, coordinated fast moving armor and mech units, from their battles with the Wehrmacht.
I am most interested to know if you speak/read Russian so that we may benefit from your reading of Russian doctrine, then and now.
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November 2nd, 2014, 08:24 AM
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Re: The River Flows Frozen
Indeed, the reinforcements for PRC sound like good idea, making them a company makes sense too.
Technically, the soviet tank & motorised units are still in 'marching' formation. It's more than 1km to assumed enemy positions, i think that's okay. Tanks were allowed to lead formations - even after the contact was made, if the terrain was clear/accessible enough for tanks and AT threat was low. Alternatively, deployed formation could be led by troops, followed by APCs and backed by tanks if the terrain was bad and enemy was dug-in.
I read Russian (with very much pain), but it's needed only in special cases. Since my country was in WP for long years, 99% of info can be obtained in my native language (Czech). Feel free to ask about anything 'eastern', i've got access to lots of material.
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November 2nd, 2014, 09:02 AM
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Re: The River Flows Frozen
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What i've figured out, is that the soviet border guards actually used the long stick to push the chinese out of the island. At least, so claim some sources.
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It would appear that the actual battle was a sideshow to the epic bar brawls that lead up to it. Given they were fought mainly on ice it sounds more like a hockey game gone really bad
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November 2nd, 2014, 10:20 AM
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I read Russian (with very much pain), but it's needed only in special cases. Since my country was in WP for long years, 99% of info can be obtained in my native language (Czech). Feel free to ask about anything 'eastern', i've got access to lots of material.
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Ah, that is good to know that you have access and the language ability to understand a lot of things Russian related to how they fight. Would a Russian commander, or Soviet in say the Cold War era of the 60's, deploy his assaulting force spread over a wide front, or would he concentrate rocket and artillery fires at a point in the defensive line with rapid armor and mech forces following to breach at the point of the fires?
Your kind attention much appreciated.
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Re: The River Flows Frozen
Generally, move arty to near front-line positions. Use the combination of artillery and air support in pre-assault barrage, destroying:
- Recon troops or the elements that are on-standby to prevent sudden attack
- Frontline troops that have been detected
- HQs that have been detected
- Enemy artillery positions that have been detected
After that, the first wave of assault begins, with the goal to destroy enemy infantry and enemy equipment while trying to retain maximum combat capability.
There are detailed tables how large combat width be, based on the activity and element size (platoon, company, batallion, division).
They also vary depending on if they're performing just general assault or trying to do break-through.
I'm planning to translate some of these into english, as such things aren't widely available. I'm already working on these, but it will definitely take some more time. :-)
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