Good Assassin in Conjuration?

Hugo06 · #1 December 22nd, 2011, 03:35 PM

I need a goood assassin, and i have conj 9.
Whats are the best assessins to conjure?

Thnks

Soyweiser · #2 December 22nd, 2011, 04:27 PM

Remote assassination spells.

brxbrx · #3 December 22nd, 2011, 10:33 PM

Also depends on what nation you're playing. I think some have assassin summons as well as remote assassination spells (LA Atlantis)

TigerBlood · #4 December 23rd, 2011, 12:25 AM

A Harvester of Sorrows. Requires Blood in order to forge a Black Heart.

Does not need any more gear to take out an average researcher or commander. With some gear, it becomes a serious nuisance.

More expensive and less versatile than remote assassination. Not countered by domes though.

Deathblob · #5 December 24th, 2011, 08:24 AM

That's not really a very good idea. Harvesters sneak around with a big neon sign on their back that says, "Here I am! Mind hunt me."

brxbrx · #6 December 24th, 2011, 09:08 AM

Wait, you can mind hunt for stealth units in your own province?

TigerBlood · #7 December 24th, 2011, 09:55 AM

Active assassins and spies have the same issue of being easily located, given that spells take place before movement. At MR18, the harvester requires a focused effort or luck to take out quickly.

You have given me an idea though. Bane Venom Charm on a spectre or some other stealth astral mage...

Gandalf Parker · #8 December 24th, 2011, 09:55 AM

To me the assassins worth decking out are those who can cast Charm or Hellbind.
The get 2 or 3 tries at "assassination" before having to melee. And if they grab control of the person there are extra benefits.

Deathblob · #9 December 24th, 2011, 11:09 AM

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Originally Posted by TigerBlood

Active assassins and spies have the same issue of being easily located, given that spells take place before movement. At MR18, the harvester requires a focused effort or luck to take out quickly.

It's not the same issue at all. You know the harvester is there the moment it hits the province, before it would even have a chance to try assassination. MR18 is no defense against Mind Hunt.

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You have given me an idea though. Bane Venom Charm on a spectre or some other stealth astral mage...

That's a better plan, but S1 only blocks mind hunt less than half the time. If the hunters have recuperation or healers, they won't care about feeblemind.

TigerBlood · #10 December 24th, 2011, 12:41 PM

I don't understand. Mind Burn and Soul Slay are both MR negates. Of these two spells, only Soul Slay threatens a Harvester.

Granted, I have been in a game where an S4 mage somehow took out an MR30 Wyrm with one cast of Soul Slay, but I have also seen some MR16 units very persistantly resist spells cast by a mage equipped with a penetration booster. MR18 is pretty good. It can easily be improved upon.

As for distinctions on the order of assasination and casting, that is irrelevant. The moment you use an assassin, it's location is known. The moment a Harvester moves into a province and begins diseasing units, it's location is known. A black heart simply gives the Harvester something to do while it is camping on an occupied province. Considering they can thug fairly effectively, the more conventional counter to assassination, patrolling, is potentially less of an issue. If I can coerce an opponent into wasting mage turns trying to root out an obvious threat, rather than relying on mundane patrollers, then hooray for me.