Bradleys

[Imp]

USA some minor possible errors.

M2A3, slower versions with ERA are designated M2A3+ can the same be done with M3A3 versions.

In case its an oversight though may well be correct A3 version carries a lot more ammo for its cannon, 150 vs 90 rounds.

Scout formations use M3A3 version long before other formations???

Mech AT & BSFV(manpads) do the reverse always using M2A3s???

[Imp]

Green OOB Bradley unit 525 slipped through the net has 200 plus rounds.
British OOB Mastifs units700, 701, 704
There is a dicrepancy in front heat armour, the basic version has hull (I think) of 12 while the plus versions use standard AP armour levels.

Also USMC has approved APRWS rockets for its helos by the look of it.
Only mention as I brought it up & the fact quite a few people are developing "smart rocket tech"
Will try to monitor & report where things are as a lump once get near to the next patch

[JohnAbrams21]

Actually I think the term is APKWS or (Advanced Precision Kill Weapon System). And I swear I saw Cobra units for the USMC OOB with guided rockets, although they may have been for the middle of this decade, so they would be kind of late.

[FASTBOAT TOUGH]

Saw this earlier this month while looking into PATRIOT/MEADS program. It was posted by this site this month. Seems they were just being tested (Final.) this past January. Don't know status of this within the game but, it seems it's not fielded yet. Also the Army killed the program at their end in the Fiscal 2008 Budget.
http://www.defense-update.com/newsca...009042010.html and
http://www.defenseindustrydaily.com/...d-phase-02193/
The Navy takes over:
http://www.deagel.com/news/US-Navy-t...000005267.aspx
For the techs:
http://www.baesystems.com/ProductsSe..._s2_apkws.html
Have great weekend all!
Regards,
Pat

[FASTBOAT TOUGH]

John,
Hope this helps? Note BRADLEY ammo load out from these sites and just good GP info for rest:
http://www.military-today.com/apc/m2_bradley.htm and this shows the consistency of the first source in the comparison of ammo load out (Bottom of this next article.) between types:
http://www.globalsecurity.org/milita...round/m2a3.htm
These also provide performance info.
Pics:


Have a great weekend all!
Pat

[Imp]

I posted about this pre patch saying something to look at for the next patch.
A lot of countries are developing some in final phases & may well be in service by the time its due, no real sense in second guessing.
The game currently gives USA Apaches DAGR equiped rockets from mid 2000.
DAGR was Lockheed Martins privatly funded attempt & passed all trials but no takers. Army just showed no intrest in it or the original APKWS (yes I spelt wrong) but the Marine core rejuvinated it & did the trials for APKWS II.

Why keep funding one when you already have a working system probably go ask the politicians.
Why are the marine Core intreasted while the army are not, probably a few factors.
Army still thinking take on the heavier (traditional) forces load Hellfires, hang the cost & logistics is not a big problem.
Marines however logistics is cruicial & an accurate rocket will do the job vs most targets. Plus due to size you can carry a much bigger payload.
Accuracy is on par with a Hellfire at a fraction of the cost or at least the DAGR tests were which is probably why other countries are developing.
Then there are things like the Spike ATGM that use similar tech & are supposedly helo mountable. Dumb missiles so basicly a rocket also outside the scope of the game already tested are anti shipping varients etc.
Computer tech advances at great speed & hence things that can use it do like firecontrol smart launchers instead of smart missiles & there counterparts etc.

[DRG]

FWIW this is why the M3's have 150 rounds and the rest have 90

Don

http://afvdb.50megs.com/usa/m2bradley.html

900 rounds
(300 ready)

http://afvdb.50megs.com/usa/m3bradley.html

1500 rounds
(300 ready)

The M3 cavalry fighting vehicle was essentially a restowed M2 Bradley infantry fighting vehicle. The M3 was the cavalry scout version, and its passenger compartment was occupied by two observers and more ammunition and missiles. Since the M3 lacked an infantry squad, it carried no firing port weapons, and the firing ports themselves were covered. The M3 retained the three periscopes between the cargo hatch and entry ramp and the periscopes along the sides of the vehicle.

The M3A1 incorporated the same improvements as the M2A1 Bradley. The CFV differed from the IFV in having NBC masks connected to the central filter for all five crewmen, instead of just the driver, gunner, and vehicle commander. The three periscopes on the rear deck were omitted in the M3A1, and replaced by four periscopes in the cargo hatch itself. The two periscopes on the right side of the passenger copmpartment were also deleted.

http://www.globalsecurity.org/milita...nd/m2a2ods.htm

5) Ammunition: IFV CFV
25mm 900 1500
7.62mm 4400 7600
5.56mm 5040 1600
TOW 5 12
JAVELIN 2 0
AT4 3 0

It doesn't require a lot of effort to find sources that disagree. These three differ for the number of TOW missiles the IFV Bradley carries. Globalsecurity in this quote claims 5 total whereas http://afvdb.50megs.com/usa/m2bradley.html claims 5 in hull and two in turret and that matches what we already have as does the 12 total carried for the CFV version. The real " error" is the number of passengers we allow in the CFV. If I change those to 2 passengers there looks like a couple of formations that would need adjusting

[DRG]

Can someone who may have actually served in CFV Bradley's confirm this quote please

http://www.bbc.co.uk/dna/h2g2/A1007650


A cavalry section in a Bradley unit will consist of two Bradley Cavalry Fighting Vehicles.
The senior Bradley commander on the two Bradley's is the section leader. There are three sections in a Cavalry platoon.

in this case I would highly prefer first hand info not something else dug off the 'net

Don

[Imp]

Cheers wish more sites were laid out as nice & clear as that guys.

[thatguy96]

Originally Posted by DRG

Can someone who may have actually served in CFV Bradley's confirm this quote please

in this case I would highly prefer first hand info not something else dug off the 'net

Don

According to FKSM 71-8, Armor/Cavalry Reference Data, Brigade Combat Teams, dated November 2005, the Cavalry Platoon, Cavalry Troop, Cavalry Battalion (TOE 17-207) assigned to Heavy Brigade Combat Teams, has 5 HMMWVs and 3 M3 CFVs. The Scout Platoon, Headquarters and Headquarters Company, Combined Arms Battalion has 3 Scout Sections each with 3 M3 CFVs and 3 HMMWVs.

In 2003, when that article was written the 2 vehicle sections might have been the case for units that had not converted yet to the modular force structure. The Fort Knox Supplemental Manual itself might be dated or inaccurate. The information from the FKSM was, however, taken straight from the applicable TOEs at that time.