Time to increase number of provinces again?

Gandalf Parker · #1 July 26th, 2008, 11:15 AM

When you start a game in Dom3 it has 3 random choices which it calls small, medium, and large. It defines those maps as 10 provinces per player, 15 per player, and 20 per player.

Now I know that I dont play normally but the latest game Im playing is running maxed nations (recently raised to 95) on a max map (1500 provinces). That makes it a ration of 15 provinces per player. The conflicts came abit fast for me.

Sombre · #2 July 26th, 2008, 12:14 PM

I can't justify saying it's a bad idea, just that I would very, very rarely play on anything bigger than 200 provinces.

1500 I wouldn't touch with a barge pole.

So I don't care either way.

konming · #3 July 26th, 2008, 12:36 PM

Raising unit limit is a more urgent need.

Aezeal · #4 July 26th, 2008, 12:41 PM

yeah the largest map that came with the game (glory of the gods?) was MORE than large enough for me

JimMorrison · #5 July 26th, 2008, 04:27 PM

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konming said:
Raising unit limit is a more urgent need.

Already in the next patch.

I'm not sure I see a purpose in limiting province count, unless there is some sort of hard-coded database constraint. Otherwise, I would think that most players would know where their comfort level is, and the few who would actually desire it larger, would be happy. So no one loses! As long as it's just a little tweak that's needed.

Gandalf Parker · #6 July 26th, 2008, 06:42 PM

There is.
It definetly affects many other arrays. Increasing the nations limit, affects the in-game messages, which affects the scout reports and seeing what is in the provinces next to you.

But then increasing the provinces has affects on the battles array amoung other things.

I have to probe those limits.

Sombre · #7 July 26th, 2008, 09:22 PM

I would find it a little irritating if the province limit were increased to satisfy the (from my perspective) crazy people who need more than 1500 provinces and that in turn broke something that actually mattered to the majority of dom3 players.

Gandalf Parker · #8 July 26th, 2008, 09:41 PM

Well that could be said of any increases couldnt it?
What we are talking about is something that could be called broke due to increasing the nation numbers for the modders but I wouldnt put it that way. Every increase seems to bump up against some cap which needs to be increased which then bumps against another cap.

Also what I see as the most likely point of this being a problem is that the next Mega game or KingMaker will be able to be 95 players, with modded nations included. Im sure they would like to have this tested out before they are all signed up for the game and then find that it wont work.

Sombre · #9 July 26th, 2008, 09:58 PM

I doubt anyone would swallow the argument this is something broken that needs fixing if you did make it.

Even if you do use mods to enable 95 nations in the game and actually run that mp game with 95 players, something I seriously doubt will happen, and do so without running into more restrictive limits than the province cap,.. EVEN THEN you'll still have roughly 15 provinces per player which is 'medium' and satisfactory for most people.

So I don't think it's really in the same class as other increases, like the custommagic one which allows mod nations to function properly. Those may cause problems through a knock on effect. But they also solve (at least for the time being) a genuine problem people are running in to.

Gandalf Parker · #10 July 27th, 2008, 12:19 AM

Well that was the conversation. Whether or not it was something broken. The fact that the increase in nations has taken it beyond its own small, medium, large ratios. I have tested as much as I can and have not found any crash bug because of it, so no its probably not broken.

I should probably look at the various mega games (3? 4?) and see what the province ratio was.