HEK Rules/Ratings?

[MarkSheppard]

I'm trying to add some superheavy artillery for my own personal OOBs plus some unique mortars, and I'm wondering
what formula the game designers used for HEK....

all I've been able to find is:

Mortars:

All Mortars/Rockets use HE Kill two levels up from their calibre size.

Is there a formula that the designers used to get the HEK
ratings for automatic cannons, machine guns, artillery,
mortars, etc? Because that one snippet in the MOBHACK guide
is confusing.

[Mobhack]

MarkSheppard said:
I'm trying to add some superheavy artillery for my own personal OOBs plus some unique mortars, and I'm wondering
what formula the game designers used for HEK....

all I've been able to find is:

Mortars:

All Mortars/Rockets use HE Kill two levels up from their calibre size.

Is there a formula that the designers used to get the HEK
ratings for automatic cannons, machine guns, artillery,
mortars, etc? Because that one snippet in the MOBHACK guide
is confusing.

The OOb designers tried to use those formulas in the Mobhack help as guides, not "law".

If creating your own OOBS - just find something in an existing OOB that is close to what you need, and copy from that then adjust by playtesting till it does what you want.

Thn run the OOB through the cost calculator to get the points in line with the other OOBS.


Andy

[MarkSheppard]

If creating your own OOBS - just find something in an existing OOB that is close to what you need, and copy from that then adjust by playtesting till it does what you want.

What if what I need is not even remotely in an existing OOB,
such as the 420mm Okha SP Mortar tested by the Soviets?

A rough guideline for HEK would be VERY useful; it's
really the one big missing piece in the "puzzle" that
is the MOBHack Guide. We have guidelines for everything
else, except for HE Kill...

EDIT:

Update: I might be close to getting a rough guideline formula for HEK ratings, when I have it all typed up and
in a format suitable for posting, I'll post it here.

[MarkSheppard]

I finally puzzled it all out.

Link to my Sheet of HEK Ratings that are 95% in line with SPCAMO's results in WinMBT

[DRG]

MarkSheppard said:
I finally puzzled it all out.

Link to my Sheet of HEK Ratings that are 95% in line with SPCAMO's results in WinMBT

I had charts similar to the ones you posted that I issued when this was being standardized but I cannot find them ATM so I cannot say if these are close or not with just a quick read through. The couple of mortars and guns I checked seemed OK but that was only a couple of each at random.

As Andy said these were guidelines not carved in stone. If something, for example, like a rocket was known to have a small HE payload that would have been manually adjusted.

Don

[DRG]

I found a XLS spread sheet that I had done up when we were experimenting with different ways of rating HEK and the final version on the page matches your chart for Guns/Howitzers almost exactly. So it looks like you have that OK

30-39mm 1
40-49mm 2
50-59mm 3
60-69mm 4
70-79mm 5
80-89mm 7
90-99mm 9
100-109mm 11
110-119mm 13
120-129mm 15
130-139mm 17
140-149mm 19
150-159mm 21
160-169mm 23
170-179mm 25
180-189mm 27
190-199mm 29
200-209mm 31
210-219mm 33
220-229mm 35
230-239mm 37
240-249mm 39
250-259mm 41
260-269mm 43
270-279mm 45
280-289mm 47
290-299mm 49
300-309mm 51
310-319mm 53
320-329mm 55
330-339mm 57
340-349mm 59
350-359mm 61
360-369mm 63
370-379mm 65
380-389mm 67
390-399mm 69
400-409mm 71
410-419mm 73
420-429mm 75
430-439mm 77
440-449mm 79
450-459mm 81

Some of you rocket specs match the OOB's but others do not and that may be explained as research modifications where information points to higher or lower numbers than the chart which is just a starting point.It's been almost four years since we dealt with this. Some of the details are a bit hazy

Don

[MarkSheppard]

As Andy said these were guidelines not carved in stone. If something, for example, like a rocket was known to have a small HE payload that would have been manually adjusted.

Yeah, that makes sense; I also have other charts for other
aspects of the game; I'll probably be working up an autocannon
chart soon.