OT: Election 2004

[Atrocities]

Well its getting to be that time once again were we get to vote for whom we want to lead our nation.

I have no shame in admitting that I favor Bush and will vote for him this year as I did in 2000. Even though there are many who blame him for the outsourcing of jobs, poor job market, poor job growth, and the lost jobs that have occured under his watch. The truth is it was President Clinton who ratified NAFTA and gave China free reign.

Sure Bush should have placed terrifs and other disadvantages against companies that sent jobs out of the nation, and he didn't so that does not look good for him. However, he has done what he said he was going to do and despite the costly war we are now involved in, he has done a far better job at running the country than Mr. Clinton.

Clinton was lucky, he had the teflon shield of the Internet and DotCom boom, but when the bubble began to burst, 97 and on, he was on his way out and the resulting destruction to our lives, economy, and futures was dropped squarly into Bushs lap even though he had not caused this, he has been blamed for it.

No justice for the inocent I say.

I do not like the Democrat front runner as he seems to, well to much like a man who should not be president than one who should be.

I would like to see the economy continue to improve, Job growth improve, and the war to end terrorism continued to be supported and under the Democrates that will not be the case.

The Iraqies will be left to fend for themselves like the Vietiense (sp) were left out in the cold by Ford and Carter.

We are there now and we should continue to stay there until it is safe to leave. No politics involved, simply stay and do the right thing and then leave.

Fight those who wish to do the other harm through terroristic attacks and continue to hunt and kill them for as long as they continue to commit terrorist acts.

It is going to be an interesting election year. One that I am certain will be another close call.

Best of luck to both canadates, but GO BUSH.

[ March 24, 2004, 01:24: Message edited by: Atrocities ]

[Renegade 13]

Oh no, not the dreaded politcal conversations!!

Really, I'm Canadian, so I don't know much about American politics, but it seems to me that Bush is more than a little bit bloodthirsty. Afghanistan wasn't good enough, so lets go invade Iraq!!

And yep, we're only there to stop him from having weapons of mass destruction....but wait a minute...who has the most weapons of mass destruction of all the countries in the world...hmm lets think about that.

Now don't get me wrong, I have nothing against the US having weapons like that. In fact, it is necessary, or else the other countries that did have such weapons would run rampant, with no counter force to stop them.

But look at it this way. Lets say that Canada started developing in earnest a whole bunch of WMD's. Would the US invade Canada, saying that Canada shouldn't have such weapons? Of course, I'm missing a lot of points here, and the comparison is not near accurate, but I think you get my meaning.

Now, to bring this back to the real reason for this thread, that is why I don't think I would vote for Bush, precisely because of his prediliction for war mongering. That's all.

Please no one be offended by this, it is merely my opinion on the matter.

[Atrocities]

Thanks Renegade 13.

There are two sides to every story and it is important to keep an open mind when discussing those points of view. Well done my friend.

[Atrocities]

Oops, forgot to mention:

The US already owns Canada, so invading you would be pointless.

[Renegade 13]

WHAT!!!

The US owns Canada, and no one told me! I think I may die of shock right here and now!

Just don't try to come here with your army or you'll find a bunch of rednecks in the hills, shooting at you with hunting rifles! And let me tell you, we've got good aim!

[Azselendor]

Militant Canadians, that's just not right.

Of course, I'm voting for Kerry.

Bush had 4 years to do his job and he did a half-assed job at best. Sure, Clinton had the internet to protect him, but Bush used fear and threats against americans who critized him to protect himself.

Bush lsot any support from me a long time ago.

[Atrocities]

No one can deny that Bush used fear to garner support for the war effort against Iraq. No one can deny that the Bush administration tried to say that people taking burger flipper jobs was an increase in the Manufacturing Job Market. No one can deny that Bush has done nothing about the loss of US jobs as companies in the US fire employees here and move their jobs to China, Mexico, and other.

However, Iraq had to be delt with before it did become a problem. Of this we can all agree. The method for getting the job done has left a bad tast in many of peoples mouths, but the job has been done. The ends do not justify the means however we are all better off now than we would be if we left Saddam in control.

The US economy has been recovering nicely, but Job growth has remained flat. This is the first time in history that this has ooccured and it is not do to Bush's economics. This is the result of Clintonomics and even CNN has achknowledged this as a fact.

Its the mistrust of the public that has hurt President Bush. Even though he may have lied, and yes, I do believe that at times things have to be done in order to get things done, but when its all said and done, step up to the bat and stand your ground. Bush has done this somewhat and I will continue to support him.

Kerry is a good man, but I simply do not trust him at this point. I feel that he is not the right man for the job this late in the game. Perhaps in 2008.

Right now we need to ride out this storm with the captain we currently have. That way when the Democrats take office in 2008, they can take credit for the economic boom that will occur as a result of Bush's economic plans just like Mr. Clinton did over the benefits of Reganomics.

This is how the game is played, and I hope that, no I pray that things improve and who ever wins in Novemeber, my rights will remain intacted, I have money in my pocket to spend, and food on my table.

If Bush really wants to win this election he needs to do two things right now. One sanction companies that send US jobs abroad and sanction the Gas and Oil companies for this price gouging we are now all forced to endure.

And I have to be honest, Kerry using the JFK intials is just plan bad politics and in bad taste. His name might share the intials of JFK, but he NOT JFK.

[Captain Kwok]

The current U.S. administration thrives on fear and uses it as their primary tool to keep their hold on power. Just look at their ads and campaigning - "Terror this or terror that", "if someone else was in power then your taxes will go up" or "they'd be soft on terrorism and you'll die in a horrible bombing." and things of that sort.

Here are some things consider for the election:

Current Budget Defecit

Misinformation about Iraq. If they had just come out and said, Saddam is a bad dude and the Iraqi people need to be liberated - it might have been a bit better. But no, they created the illusion of imminent danger (i.e. WMD) when there was clearly none while ticking off most other countries in the process. And when that didn't work out too well - it was like well we freed the Iraqi people and got rid of Saddam - the world is now safer. However, hasn't the whole Iraq mess just turned Iraq into a new terrorism breeding ground and further decreased stability in the region? What about addressing Saudi Arabia as a major sponsor (albeit silent) of terrorism?

Foreign Policy. What can I say other than Bill Maher's synopsis "Operation: Piss Off the Planet" - there's just not anything being done on a diplomatic front to make things better for the future. The actions of the U.S. right now have just fueled the fire for more anti-U.S. crazies and their "causes". This is sort of like addressing crime by only increasing police and their budgets while not working in the communities to address poverty and other social problems that are the primary factors for crime. The situation will never really improve and the residents will feel oppressed, but at least they can justity their spending (hey, that's just like the drug war isn't it?).

Bush isn't such a bad guy on his own, but I do worry about his sidekick Cheney and his shady dealings with his former company Haliburton, also Enron, and other energy matters.

Environmental record? Nothing but loosening up pollution regulations for big corps and exploiting protected wildlife areas for more fossil fuels.

The economy is doing ok because of the whole war side effect, but where it will be afterwards? The rate of good jobs leaving the country are staggering to say the least! What kind of replacement jobs are in line? Mostly low-waged service sector jobs. The corporations have these guys in their pockets. It's most unfortunate, and it's also a problem that is happening where I live too.

I'm not a huge Kerry fan either (you guys really need a third viable option there rather than republican/democrat all the time!) but I think he'd be the lesser of two evils. There needs to be at least a fresh approach to the problems that you guys are having.

Anyways, I'm just glad that I get more than just the proto-typical US news here, it really makes a difference!

[narf poit chez BOOM]

Originally posted by Atrocities:
Oops, forgot to mention:

The US already owns Canada, so invading you would be pointless.

Aww, and here I thought the u.s. was the whole world! My, your shrinking.

[Renegade 13]

Originally posted by Klvino [ORB]:
Militant Canadians, that's just not right.

Muahahahahahahahahaha.....

Anyways I just speak for myself. And since when is self-defense militaristic?