Which nations most represent chaos or evil?

[Herode]

Then they are not hostile, just tasters.

Since most nations are humans I think the nations directly hostile to humanity qualify as evil. Abysia, Mictlan, LA Ermor, Niefelheim, Lanka, Fomoria, Yomi, Shinuyama.

Hmmmm... How could Mictlan be hostile to humanity ? they are part of humanity.

[Kristoffer O]

Perhaps by taking slaves and sacrificing other humans to appease their god, but OTOH it might be their god that is always hostile to humanity and not the nation.

LA Mictlan are toads and not humans

[sector24]

I think MA C'tis gets an honorable mention for chaos/evil. Even though their dominion doesn't kill population in the game, I imagine the miasma as an extremely hazardous event from a peasant's point of view. Maybe not evil in the "I starve kittens" kind of way, but perhaps evil in the way R'lyeh is evil.

(It's the apostrophe in their name that makes them treat humans so poorly)

[Cheezeninja]

The only two nations I view as truly evil are LA Ermor and R'lyeh, if victorious both essentially mean the end of all life on the planet.

I'm not sure where I get the distinction, but I marked EA Abysia as evil but not Mictlan. I wouldn't call Mictlan good either, but it's a nation of mere humans trying to survive against all sorts of nasties whereas Abysia was created by the direct intervention of creatures commonly thought to be inherently evil, and is still ruled by their descendants to this day. Also the focus on S in addition to B doesn't bode well for the future should they win.

[CUnknown]

Ryleh is totally evil, they starve kittens with the worst of them. Mind control? Calling C'thulu forth from the abyss? They are among the worst of the races, imo.

EA Ulm is a good nation, I have to disagree with KO. They are barbaric and opposed to civilization, but that's why they're good!

EA Pangea is also good, imo. They sacrifice virgins and destroy stuff in fits of bloodlust, but hey, wild nature demands blood sacrifice, and that stuff probably needed to be destroyed anyway.

I would say that MA or LA Marignon is among the worst of the nations as well. I know they summon angels and are very pious and relgious, but god doesn't everyone hate those kind of people. They are nazis.

I think good v evil is mostly a matter of opinion in this game, which is one reason why it is so cool.

[PvK]

Yes, I'd say good and evil depends on perspective. They could all be called either, or neither.

R'lyeh has a purpose that men can't truly hold in their minds, so perhaps their good or evil could be said to be unknowable my men.

LA Ermor might have some insight into the underworld that could lend sympathy to their cause. For one idea, perhaps the underworld is overflowing, and only ceasing the creation of new life can bring contentment to all souls. What's all this discrimination in favor of the living?

[Herode]

LA Mictlan are toads and not humans

So what ? You don't like toads, you racist

I neither encourage the overcriticism against C'tis MA. OK, they stink, but they do not stink in an hostile mood. It's just the way they are. No offense intended. Fate, just fate... And also, the eternal rules of heterogeneous ecosystems competition. OK, I won't be happy having C'tis as a neighbour, me human. But neither will I having any neighbour at all as in Dom III (and many other games) your neighbours just appear to have a compulsive behaviour leading them to invade your own territories.

Ho well, after all, maybe evil is just another word for the guy in the next floor'

[Randvek]

A pity the poll looks for chaos or evil. I mean, Pangaea is all about chaos, and LA Ermor is all about evil, but I wouldn't put them on the same playing field.

[Cerlin]

Some nations I just feel bad for, especially EA Agartha. Leaving their prime living environment (caves) to be slaughtered on the surface just because some god convinced them too. Its not even like they want to enslave humans or eat them, its just like "well then, shall we conquer the surface world" "well im tired of eating rocks, lets go!"

Others like the Tuatha nations, while some of there pastimes seem "good" (like music, art and such) they also violently tried to conquer Formoria, and enslave humans and Firblog too. I think this game really is just life...There are no good and evil and its just where you are looking from. If you are a Pale on or an Abyssian, watching your race slowly die is the highest form of evil, and should be fought at any cost. If your a Emorian Shadow Legionarre then reconquering the world for your empire is the "right" Thing.

[HoneyBadger]

I'd say EA R'lyeh Aboleths are the most objectively evil. 1-they're inherant mind-controllers and avowed slavers, 2-they're lobotomizers, and 3-they use their own immature offspring in war. They're utterly ruthless and almost utterly selfish.

The only saving grace they have, at all, is that they consider their females to be sacred, so they do care about the propagation of their species to some extent.

That goes well beyond emnity towards another species, as well as any "natural amorality". And they don't have the excuse of being insane, like later R'lyeh does.

By the way, I haven't noticed any R'lyeh nations summoning Cthulhu, but I sure would like to. Maybe someday the Devs can create an underwater/Lovecraft version of Tartarians?