Obat15 - Australia

[TDR]

thatguy96 said:
Yeah, the weapon thing as noted on the picture is sketchy. I have enough pictures to work that though. So I'm getting from that breakdown that every SASR Trp (A-D) has 20 guys in it. Is that further broken down into teams and is it even? 4 5-man teams?

The concept is several small teams. How you allocate weapons is very dependant on the operation involved.
It is possible to have a 10 man team as well, or run a Troop as a full force.
A lot will depend on how you intend to use the SASR in your scenarios.

This I suppose is the nightmare of using special units like this. If it was straight Commandos then it�s a little clearer, but the only 2 Commando units were "reserve" at that time. (using that term with care here).

Not that helpful

[thatguy96]

No, but does allow for a certain amount of flexibility. Thanks for the info.

[TDR]

OK, continuing...
As I have come across several other oddities in the APC Sqn,(not Coy); the Motorised Inf, (Bushmaster Coy), the M113 Inf Coy, (Mech Inf) and several other formations.
These oddities are based on comparing the current formations in game against such docs as Manual of Land Warfare Pt 1, Aide Memoire,(Not an easy reference to find in the local library), and other similar material I have.

At present I am tied up on another project so I will get back to this later when I get more free time.

[Pats]

Question (obat15 Australia):
The Units 035 & 036 (classed as gun APCs) don't have ANY carry capacity.
Similar units (for example USA) usualy have some and it also seems logical (to me) to have some (for a M113 with scorpion/saladin turret).

Suggestion:
Give them a capacaty between 4-6 man (scouts)

[scJazz]

Googling came up with various pics of the interior of the M113A1 FSV

Best interior shot taken from rear door.

As you can clearly see the middle is naturally enough the gunners position and turret mechanics. The seats are left and right and are taken up by not surprisingly ammo. In some pictures the space closest to the door and to the right actually has a seat belt. I'm assuming it is for the loader. Doesn't look like there is any room in there for anyone extra except maybe a casualty lying on the deck close to the door.

[scJazz]

I couldn't find any good interior shots of the M113-106RR which is what I'm assuming is what you are declaring as equivalent to the FSV. You can kind of tell by the exterior pics that the 106mm RR is pintle mounted on the right side of the vehicle. Basically, it doesn't take up any additional interior space, except for ammo.

[FASTBOAT TOUGH]

The Australians wouldn't like it if you gave the M113A1 FSV and M113A1 MRV a carry capacity. These M113A1 units were unique to Australia with the FSV mounting the same turret as the SALIDAN armored car and the much improved MRV mounting the turret from the SCORPION CRV(T). The FSV saw service in Vietnam while the MRV entered service in the late 70's. Both were withdrawn from service in the Mid 70's and 1996 respectively. They both were crewed by three and carried no troops.
http://www.defence.gov.au/dmo/news/o...t/Oct05/rw.cfm
http://www.armytankmuseum.com.au/m113sala.htm
Pic of an in service MRV prior to 1996.
http://www.armytankmuseum.com.au/i-vd.htm

A little info on the current LAND 106 upgrade program for the M113.
http://www.army.gov.au/Our-work/Equi...es/M113AS4#top
http://www.military-today.com/apc/m113as4.htm

And the best(?) saved for last, the complete timeline of Australia's armor from 1929 - 2001.
http://www.mheaust.com.au/Aust/Research/Austanks.htm

Well folks I'm off to bed as I have one more to go. Have a great weekend!!

Regards,
Pat

[Pats]

Ok, thanks quite convinced, but unit 036 has only crew of two in the oob.

[Pats]

Originally Posted by scJazz

Googling came up with various pics of the interior of the M113A1 FSV

Best interior shot taken from rear door.

As you can clearly see the middle is naturally enough the gunners position and turret mechanics. The seats are left and right and are taken up by not surprisingly ammo. In some pictures the space closest to the door and to the right actually has a seat belt. I'm assuming it is for the loader. Doesn't look like there is any room in there for anyone extra except maybe a casualty lying on the deck close to the door.

In this picture, if you would put in the seats near the door, at least four men could fit in - I don't say it would be comfortable but maybe possible

[FASTBOAT TOUGH]

Found a handful of forums (Australian) and Tank Net that indicated they might be able to hold two troopers. All agree this never happened. They pretty much indicated it was for spare ammo (Remember we're talking 76mm rounds.), fuel, water, rations etc. One trooper said while serving he came across one crew that had a microwave in their MRV. I suspect that's why the official Army Museum had them as C3 Commander, Gunner and Driver. My picture is from further back and might offer a different perspective maybe. It's also from the FSV.
Pic:

Regards,
Pat