Info new patch announced - Page 2

Edi · #11 June 24th, 2011, 03:34 AM

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The increased sprite and mod limits are particularly welcome, in my opinion. Being able to add path cost reduction to sites opens up interesting modding possibilities as well - difficulty mods (Normal, Hard, Insane) where the AI gets no bonus, -20% reduction, -40% reduction (in conjuration perhaps) to make the game more challenging in a more meaningful way.

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You mean give the AI cost reduction sites so the player can go take their capitals and use them more effectively than the AI ever will?

That would probably be for single player games and if the human player is so lacking in self-control that he can't refrain from using the AI sites once he gains that capital, he has nobody to blame but himself for ruining the challenge.

For MP games such cost reduction sites would probably be game-breaking, since anyone starting next to such an AI would have a huge advantage if they focused on the AI.

JonBrave · #12 June 25th, 2011, 09:42 AM

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Originally Posted by Edi

That would probably be for single player games and if the human player is so lacking in self-control that he can't refrain from using the AI sites once he gains that capital, he has nobody to blame but himself for ruining the challenge.

Could you explain the correct "ethics"/"etiquette" for this one in SP, please?

And does the new "#homesick" command I see refer to the modder?

brxbrx · #13 June 25th, 2011, 09:47 AM

#homesick probably does dryad stuff. but I'm just guessing

thejeff · #14 June 25th, 2011, 10:37 AM

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That would probably be for single player games and if the human player is so lacking in self-control that he can't refrain from using the AI sites once he gains that capital, he has nobody to blame but himself for ruining the challenge.

Could you explain the correct "ethics"/"etiquette" for this one in SP, please?

Correct etiquette: If you mod a change in to help the AI, don't take advantage of it yourself, because that defeats the purpose.
Of course, if you want to mod a change into SP to help yourself, go right ahead.

This one would be a little trickier, since not taking advantage of captured cost-reduction sites is actually even more of a restriction. It's not just that you don't take advantage of it, you can't cast spells of that school at that lab, which could be situationally important.

Soyweiser · #15 June 25th, 2011, 01:54 PM

Well if you want to make a mod that helps the AI. Give them immobile units that generate troops and gems each turn and die if they get in combat. (So you cannot steal them).

Sites is not the way to go.

brxbrx · #16 June 27th, 2011, 07:20 AM

it's out

Jack_Trowell · #17 June 27th, 2011, 02:33 PM

Thanks illiwinter for the patch ! ^_^

Soyweiser · #18 June 27th, 2011, 03:20 PM

Get it here:
http://www.shrapnelgames.com/Illwint...DOM3_page.html

wiki page about patch is also up to date.

Apart from the changes to the dawn map and the urraparrand map. Anybody know why those where changed?

Squirrelloid · #19 June 27th, 2011, 06:08 PM

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Originally Posted by attackdrone

The increased sprite and mod limits are particularly welcome, in my opinion. Being able to add path cost reduction to sites opens up interesting modding possibilities as well - difficulty mods (Normal, Hard, Insane) where the AI gets no bonus, -20% reduction, -40% reduction (in conjuration perhaps) to make the game more challenging in a more meaningful way.

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You mean give the AI cost reduction sites so the player can go take their capitals and use them more effectively than the AI ever will?

That would probably be for single player games and if the human player is so lacking in self-control that he can't refrain from using the AI sites once he gains that capital, he has nobody to blame but himself for ruining the challenge.

Sorry, i don't consider letting the AI cheat 'meaningfully' more difficult, which is basically what this is, especially if you're prohibited from using the sites yourself. I certainly didn't see any call for a ban on using those sites in the post i responded to - it seems a silly assumption to presume that the default state is the human player cannot use something he captures during a game of conquest...

Anyway, a _meaningful_ challenge would involve improving the AI so it plays better, not let it cheat more effectively.

I doubt giving the AI bonus sites would make it markedly harder to beat anyway, since it simply doesn't know what to summon, nor what to do with it once it has it. A lack of material is not the problem with the AI at present.