Germans. Experience with using infantry guns?

[Griefbringer]

Originally Posted by iCaMpWiThAWP

15cm things have too few ammo to make an impact(especially if you only have 1 or 2) and having ammo carriers around for them would be the path to overkill...

True, they only get 25 HE rounds (later changed to 20 HE and 5 HEAT), which means you only get so many salvoes before needing ammo resupply. But they are still quite potent against on-board artillery (at least if not dug in).

From 1940 onwards there is also a self-propelled version available, but it comes with even less ammunition.

Another interesting artillery piece in the early war is the 10.5 cm recoilless rifle (available for FJg from June 1940 onwards). It has a powerful HEAT round for anti-tank work, and can also be used for indirect fire with the same effect as a mortar. Drawback is again the limited ammo supply. But these can be a ton of fun to play around with, based on my experience.

[runequester]

Yeah, might be a useful counter battery option.

Interesting on the FjG gun. I don't have any para's but once I get to fight in the west, I'll probably buy a company or so in support for a battle, so I'll make it a point to try it out.

[gila]

[quote=Griefbringer;774160]

Originally Posted by iCaMpWiThAWP

Another interesting artillery piece in the early war is the 10.5 cm recoilless rifle (available for FJg from June 1940 onwards). It has a powerful HEAT round for anti-tank work, and can also be used for indirect fire with the same effect as a mortar. Drawback is again the limited ammo supply. But these can be a ton of fun to play around with, based on my experience.

You know,, i've played quite a few battles useing FJg's and never knew about that paticular recoiless,seems like a very useful item to AB ops

[iCaMpWiThAWP]

[quote=gila;774203]

Originally Posted by Griefbringer

You know,, i've played quite a few battles useing FJg's and never knew about that paticular recoiless,seems like a very useful item to AB ops

Could be, but it's kinda hard to drop things-that-can't-start-shooting-as-soon-as-they-land in a battle, as you probably lack a protected DZ, but maybe if you drop them a few turns after the main(or scout) force lands it would be of great use

[Griefbringer]

If you are planning to bring in a few recoilless rifles with a glider, then you might want to consider bringing in also an ammo canister or two, so they can reload at some point. As I mentioned before, those things come with relatively limited amounts of ammo (20 HE and 10 HEAT for the FJg version).

Notice that since they come with HEAT ammo, they are much more effective anti-tank weapons at long range in early war than most of the things in the German arsenal (barring good old 88 mm). Downside being that they are not particularly accurate at long ranges (and the previously mentioned ammo limit).

In later war, they are not quite that impressive, since the Germans get plenty of other HEAT weapons, and the recoilless rifle starts having more trouble penetrating heavier tanks that start popping up - though it should still stand a chance against medium tanks.

[iCaMpWiThAWP]

Originally Posted by Griefbringer

If you are planning to bring in a few recoilless rifles with a glider, then you might want to consider bringing in also an ammo canister or two, so they can reload at some point. As I mentioned before, those things come with relatively limited amounts of ammo (20 HE and 10 HEAT for the FJg version).

Notice that since they come with HEAT ammo, they are much more effective anti-tank weapons at long range in early war than most of the things in the German arsenal (barring good old 88 mm). Downside being that they are not particularly accurate at long ranges (and the previously mentioned ammo limit).

In later war, they are not quite that impressive, since the Germans get plenty of other HEAT weapons, and the recoilless rifle starts having more trouble penetrating heavier tanks that start popping up - though it should still stand a chance against medium tanks.

Late war only sees an improvent in russian armor, US/UK remains mostly shermans, and the gun might still be useful against those...

[gila]

Looked into this,the FJ 10.5 recoilless(cost 27 at 70 exp.) has more heat rounds but no AP.
The FJ 7.5 howitizer(cost 33 at 70 exp.) has much less heat ammo but does have 5 AP rounds.
Both are size 0 and have 2 MP's circa 6/1940.

Makes a difficult choice which way to go

[runequester]

The way this sort of stuff usually goes for me, by the time they'd have run out of ammo either the rest of the army has shown up and its all good, or they've been overrun and its all irrelevant

[Griefbringer]

Originally Posted by gila

Looked into this,the FJ 10.5 recoilless(cost 27 at 70 exp.) has more heat rounds but no AP.
The FJ 7.5 howitizer(cost 33 at 70 exp.) has much less heat ammo but does have 5 AP rounds.
Both are size 0 and have 2 MP's circa 6/1940.

Makes a difficult choice which way to go

Having tried both, I am more impresed by the 10.5 cm version - much more OOM-PAH! on the HE and HEAT departments. The AP rounds on the 7.5 cm version just didn't feel like providing much added value.

Of course those really into historical accuracy might want to check the production numbers to decide which version would have been a more common sight in your average FJg battalion.

[gila]

Not ever using either before,it looks like the 10.5 recoilless would be more effective against armour with the HEAT at closer range and better at soft targets at long range.

Even though the 7.5 howitzer has 5 AP rounds many would probaly miss or deflect and has fewer HEAT,and we know the 7.5 has little effect on softies.

I'll put my money on the former rather than the latter and save on some buy pt.s