Upkeed and Desertion

[Sombre]

... what? What does it have to do with clamming or morale 22 units?

[Sombre]

Originally Posted by BigDaddy

I had a black sorceress desert. OF COURSE, I had no units at all. It may be that you pay the commanders first, or something.

Are you positive? Did this happen recently? It would be interesting if this was indeed true.

[BigDaddy]

Maybe I should test it again, because everyone seems positive it shouldn't happen. I could swear it was a desertion, but I suppose it could have been old age that I missed.

[BigDaddy]

I am unable to recreate the loss after 40 turns without money. Must have missed something...

[slMagnvox]

Originally Posted by Sombre

By the way, just out of interest, does the community at large consider the the 'storage' of money by filling a queue with expensive troops that you can't pay resources for (like in a 0 resource province) an exploit? When you cancel the order you get the money back. I could see this being abused, potentially, with negative upkeep situations and to avoid losing money from events.

Wow, thats an interesting mechanic Sombre. Never really understood the design principle behind paying for units when resources go negative, or even why recruitment is an option in 0 resource provinces.

If I were getting pounded by someone spamming Blight (Target province suffers +15 unrest, 5% poploss, and owner loses 80 gold) and I "banked" all my gold in troop recruitment in a 0 resource province .. According to turn resolution, rituals would go off first and any Blights would subtract their gold from an empty treasury. Then would come income and upkeep and I would have essentially lost no gold from the Blights? Random gold loss events would take place before income phase also, so banking would protect you from all gold loss rituals or events. Am I interpreting that right? Is treasury allowed to go negative in the ritual and random event phase?

Am sure I have spent all my gold and still have gotten penalized for gold loss events, so maybe not as big an exploit

[Sombre]

Well even if it yoinked your income away, think about a situation where you know you're going to have negative upkeep.

You can stash away money using this trick. There are a variety of applications.

Another nice trick with negative income is this - set all your provinces to 200 tax for a turn to get money to hire more commanders. Hire the commanders and set the provinces to 0 tax rate. Next turn, set them to 200 and repeat.

Various problems caused by dom3 not tracking debt but always reducing you to 0.

[BigDaddy]

Just another way for you pretender to be an enourmous prick to their people.

[SciencePro]

Originally Posted by BigDaddy

Just another way for you pretender to be an enourmous prick to their people.

hehe seriously. You'd think that the average dude might try another religion after I stole his two virgin daughters for sacrifice, turned three of his dead uncles into zombies, conscripted him to go into battle with just a sling and no armor, then "forgot" to pay him.

[BigDaddy]

Originally Posted by SciencePro

hehe seriously. You'd think that the average dude might try another religion after I stole his two virgin daughters for sacrifice, turned three of his dead uncles into zombies, conscripted him to go into battle with just a sling and no armor, then "forgot" to pay him.

Yes, but you can tell he's a God because he:
A)Has a massive bless effect(but also causes all the people to be lazy)
B)Makes the people work really hard (but is actually a big wimp)
C)Can take an army by himself (while crapifying everything else and/or after absorbing the economic and magical output of the whole nation for several seasons)

[SciencePro]

Originally Posted by BigDaddy

Yes, but you can tell he's a God because he:
A)Has a massive bless effect(but also causes all the people to be lazy)
B)Makes the people work really hard (but is actually a big wimp)
C)Can take an army by himself (while crapifying everything else and/or after absorbing the economic and magical output of the whole nation for several seasons)

hehe those are some good points. I read on wikipedia that Kristoffer Osterman of Illwinter teaches religion and social science in Sweeden. Those have got to be some interesting classes...