.com.unity Forums
  The Official e-Store of Shrapnel Games

This Month's Specials

Raging Tiger- Save $9.00
winSPMBT: Main Battle Tank- Save $6.00

   







Go Back   .com.unity Forums > Illwinter Game Design > Dominions 2: The Ascension Wars

Reply
 
Thread Tools Display Modes
  #1  
Old November 19th, 2003, 04:44 AM

HJ HJ is offline
Second Lieutenant
 
Join Date: Sep 2003
Posts: 483
Thanks: 0
Thanked 1 Time in 1 Post
HJ is on a distinguished road
Default How to keep the borders safe?

I need some advice on how to deal with long borders or multiple-front wars. On big maps, there usually aren't many choke points, and the nature of the game makes the borders very sieve-like. Obviously I cannot have an army in every province, and the AI has a tendency to bypass my armies and outlaying provinces and instead go on a rampage in my back lines, destroying my income, and forcing me to retake all that again. Sure, those armies starve, but by the time I manage to deal with them and retake everything, the new ones appear and the cycle repeats itself. In addition to that, the AI tends to recruit armies in those newly conquered provinces and buy them defense, even when they are completely cut off, which makes it harder to reconquer them. The same thing happens with multiple-front wars. If I'm concentrating on one opponent and trying to catch all his roaming hordes, at the same time another AI nation will touch my borders on the other side of my empire, and do the same thing that I was just trying to prevent that first nation from doing. So, what is the best way to keep them off my back? As I said, I cannot keep an army in every province if I'm in a middle of a big continental mass, and buying defense everywhere is expensive (and often results in crappy performance by giving me unarmored militia and slingers). What would be the best way to deal with opponents who avoid direct clash of the major armies and instead turn to guerilla tactics?
Reply With Quote
  #2  
Old November 19th, 2003, 06:10 AM
apoger's Avatar

apoger apoger is offline
Second Lieutenant
 
Join Date: Oct 2003
Posts: 410
Thanks: 0
Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts
apoger is on a distinguished road
Default Re: How to keep the borders safe?

#1 Take the inititive. Make your enemy chase you in his territory.


#2 Province defense


#3 Hold back a reaction force that can respond to threats.


#4 Use a pretender that can cast teleport or cloud trapeze. Use that as a quick repsonse to enemy incursion.


#5 Fortify provinces to slow enemy incusion


#6 Try to develop army countering tactics that involve sacrificing lesser resources in order to break larger incoming forces.

For example:
Some sacrificial Poison Slngers, Bog Beasts, or Hydras can often kill a huge number of enemy troops with poison.

[ November 19, 2003, 04:11: Message edited by: apoger ]
Reply With Quote
  #3  
Old November 19th, 2003, 06:44 AM
NTJedi's Avatar

NTJedi NTJedi is offline
General
 
Join Date: Jun 2003
Location: az
Posts: 3,069
Thanks: 41
Thanked 39 Times in 28 Posts
NTJedi is on a distinguished road
Default Re: How to keep the borders safe?

apoger has listed most of them.

Another important tactic is setting traps for the AI.
Example= Leave an undefended territory on the front lines for one turn. Move your units into that territory for the upcoming turn. Lots of the time the AI will move its units to attack the territory... and because your moving into that territory on the same turn you've caught him.

Also from what I've seen the AI only responds to what it sees... it doesn't try to plan on what you will do. So if you have 150 troops on territory_A and 2 troops on territory_B the AI will only try to attack territory_B. (Unless it has a more powerful army then territory_A.)

[ November 19, 2003, 04:45: Message edited by: NTJedi ]
__________________
There can be only one.
Reply With Quote
  #4  
Old November 19th, 2003, 07:24 AM

Chris Byler Chris Byler is offline
Sergeant
 
Join Date: Oct 2003
Location: Blacksburg, VA, USA
Posts: 274
Thanks: 0
Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts
Chris Byler is on a distinguished road
Default Re: How to keep the borders safe?

Quote:
Originally posted by apoger:
#1 Take the inititive. Make your enemy chase you in his territory.


#2 Province defense


#3 Hold back a reaction force that can respond to threats.


#4 Use a pretender that can cast teleport or cloud trapeze. Use that as a quick repsonse to enemy incursion.


#5 Fortify provinces to slow enemy incusion


#6 Try to develop army countering tactics that involve sacrificing lesser resources in order to break larger incoming forces.

For example:
Some sacrificial Poison Slngers, Bog Beasts, or Hydras can often kill a huge number of enemy troops with poison.
You left out a big one: siege him. (Or was that included as part of #1?)

By laying siege to their forts you deny them recruiting ability, which keeps them from replacing their armies. The AI will usually try to lift the siege even if it has insufficient force to do so, so you can destroy or weaken its army while at the same time preventing it from reinforcing. Then you buy a second army at home (or some mercenaries) and start conquering provinces.

Make sure you bring some mercenaries to take point when you storm castles. You wouldn't want to risk your own valuable troops.
__________________
People do not like to be permanently transformed and would probably revolt against masters that tried to curse them with iron bodies.
Pigs, on the other hand, are not bothered, or at least they don't complain.
-- Dominions II spell manual
Reply With Quote
  #5  
Old November 19th, 2003, 06:04 PM
Taqwus's Avatar

Taqwus Taqwus is offline
Major General
 
Join Date: Aug 2000
Location: Mountain View, CA
Posts: 2,162
Thanks: 2
Thanked 4 Times in 4 Posts
Taqwus is on a distinguished road
Default Re: How to keep the borders safe?

Remote summons (e.g. Army of the Dead, Call of the Wild, Angelic Host, Imprint Souls et al) can also help somewhat.
Don't forget the leader-killing spells, too; Earth Attack, Seeking Arrow, Mind Hunt and such. If the army has no leaders, it can't move.
__________________
Are we insane yet? Are we insane yet? Aiiieeeeee...
Reply With Quote
  #6  
Old November 19th, 2003, 06:38 PM

HJ HJ is offline
Second Lieutenant
 
Join Date: Sep 2003
Posts: 483
Thanks: 0
Thanked 1 Time in 1 Post
HJ is on a distinguished road
Default Re: How to keep the borders safe?

Thanks for the tips. I guess I have to adjust my strategies to this porous nature of borders a bit. Whenever I can focus my forces on one side sufficiently, I have no problems, but when they employ the termite strategy, I lose ground and money and get pushed back. I guess I'm being to straightforward and expect them to do the same.
Cheers,
Reply With Quote
Reply

Bookmarks


Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is On

Forum Jump


All times are GMT -4. The time now is 11:38 PM.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.1
Copyright ©2000 - 2024, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.
Copyright ©1999 - 2024, Shrapnel Games, Inc. - All Rights Reserved.