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Ragnarok-X · #11 July 21st, 2004, 03:17 PM

Just wanted to update things abit.

I worked hard to finish the Last vehiclesizes for the expanded (MP) Version yesterday.

In fact i changed things a bit. You still research Protypes, Normal and Enhanced hullsizes, but additionally some research unlock even better hulls. So i decided to add a recon drone once advanced scouts have been researched, as well as Heavy Destroyers (which come once you have researched all Destroyer Tech) and even Superheavy Destroyers.

So in fact hullsize research will be a bit different and hopefully more dynamic to everyone.

Suggestions are welcome

Ragnarok-X · #12 July 25th, 2004, 03:10 PM

yet another update.

Unfortunally i wasnt able to complete the mod yet, so the release has to be delayed by a few days, at most one week. I modded quite a lot the Last days, but i still noticed a few things i want to get rid of, for the best possible experience.

Next week for sure

madkillercat · #13 July 25th, 2004, 08:17 PM

I'm curious, what equations (e.g. logarithmic or linear) did you use to develop your defense/offense bonuses, and max movement vs displacement (KT) etc? That is, are they consistent across your spectrums of displacements (w/in prototype, w/in normal, w/in enhanced hulls) and between spectrums (prototype vs normal vs enhanced hulls)?

And the same question w/ weapon systems.

Ragnarok-X · #14 July 26th, 2004, 04:33 PM

that is indeed a good question.

In fact there is definitly no equations in form of linear or something. At first i thought i would make it that way, but instead i decided to create AIs to test out everything (in fact no SP Version was planned, but since i created AIs anyway i decided to upgrade them allow a real SP play)

Averagly the difference between prototype and normal Versions is a roughly 20% more space, a maintaince reduction of ~ 10%, and a defense bonus of ~ 10%. Enhanced hulls give the same bonus again, but in addition need less engine power or can get one additional engine. Of course this only applies for small ships. Later on it gets quite expensive to research better hulls
i.e.

prototype cruiser - cruiser- enhanced cruiser - heavy cruiser - enhanced heavy cruiser is a very expensive research tree, but it offers a lot of power as well. If you manage to get the advanced heavy cruiser you can easily skip battlecruisers and maybe even medium battleships, then again it could me more smart (research cost wise) to get only advanced cruisers and head for light battleships.

While it may sound weird you can believe me that everything has been tested our in several games and i believe it will work out as planned.

The weapons were balanced the same way, i felt it need to be balanced by hand or manually so i did that, too. I created several AIs and told them to research different weapon paths in order to test how i.e. a Gauss AI will do against a Sonic AI and so on.

edit: Since it may be hard to decide which hulls to research and which to "skip" i decided to create a tech tree for hullsizes to show players what they CAN get. So everyone can decide on their own.

[ July 26, 2004, 15:35: Message edited by: Ragnarok-X ]

madkillercat · #15 July 26th, 2004, 07:47 PM

Ha, ok. I'll have my spreadsheet ready when you release. I'd like to see how your "phsyics" and "universe constraints" philosophy compares to some other mods.

rdouglass · #16 July 26th, 2004, 08:26 PM

I've been toying with a mod myself but I guess I don't understand something; maybe someone could help me...

If you put the 'armor' on the hull and it's not hit before the other components, wouldn't the ship blow up before the hull took any hits? No components = dead ship? Isn't that the qualifier (no components) reguardless of hull?

...or am I missing something? You must have run up against this in your testing...

Fyron · #17 July 26th, 2004, 08:51 PM

You can not give hit points to the "hull" itself. Assumedly, Rag-X added a component named "hull" that has these hit points.

Ragnarok-X · #18 July 27th, 2004, 04:43 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Imperator Fyron:
You can not give hit points to the "hull" itself. Assumedly, Rag-X added a component named "hull" that has these hit points.

right, the "hull" is actually a component with a basic damage resistance of 10. There is however one scale mount for every ship which modify the components cost and damage resistance (to show that a hull on a battleship takes more hits and costs more than on a scout)

JLS · #19 July 27th, 2004, 04:45 PM

Sounds like a good idea.

Fyron · #20 July 29th, 2004, 09:25 PM

Please write a concise description of the mod so that it can be listed on the SE4 Mods List page on malfador.com. Thanks.