fighters

tokche · #1 December 29th, 2002, 01:15 AM

i want to create a tech tree specifically for races that love fighters, i was wondering what i should add to this tree to make fighter better in combat.

[ December 28, 2002, 23:30: Message edited by: tokche ]

Arkcon · #2 December 29th, 2002, 01:35 AM

Hmmm... well, if they depend completely on fighters, that is they don't like capital ships, maybe you want to given them more sizes of fighters. And give their fighters higher attack and defence bonuses, since they'll never benefit from training. Maybe special launch bays that lauch larger Groups.

I can't think of any components that they need, except maybe solar panels, after all Imperial Tie fighters had huge solar panels.

PvK · #3 December 29th, 2002, 04:05 AM

See fighters in Proportions mod.

Mainly, make it so most weapons can't hit fighters because they have such high defensive bonuses, and even PD should hit them only rarely. Then, give fighters enough of an attack bonus to be able to hit each other. Finally, reduce fighter weapon damage until they won't vaporize ships. Offer a range of fighter weapons with different accuracies and damage Ratings, for anti-ship or anti-fighter use.

In Proportions, fighter weapons good enough to hit other fighters do about 2-5 points of damage per shot per turn.

PvK

Fyron · #4 December 29th, 2002, 07:29 AM

PvK, fighters easily slaughter ships in Proportions. If the enemy has no fighters, woe is he. I don't think they are quite balanced enough.

Q · #5 December 29th, 2002, 08:20 AM

The easiest way IMO would be new larger fighter size. This gives you space for more shields and weapons and therefore increases their strength considerably. Make this new fighter a racial technology and you probably have what you wanted.

PvK · #6 December 29th, 2002, 09:09 AM

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Originally posted by Imperator Fyron:
PvK, fighters easily slaughter ships in Proportions. If the enemy has no fighters, woe is he. I don't think they are quite balanced enough.

I could/should probably develop them and their balance some more. However I don't think this is entirely true, depending on what techs are involved on each side. Fighters in large enough numbers can slaughter ships that aren't designed to fight fighters. PD escorts can often defeat fighters though, and of course, ships can do a lot of things that fighters can't, especially moving between systems.

For example, I just ran a test using a game advanced about ten years with moderate research into both fighters and PD. 40 fighters cost about as much as two of the escort ships I had designed. Result of combat between them was all fighters destroyed and one escort ship at about 80% damage - the other just scratched. Another advantage of ships is that they can be repaired...

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tokche · #7 December 29th, 2002, 08:57 PM

only if your coudl refit fighters with different weapons so you can have special fighters to fight different enemies and you dont have to cook up a new batch of fighters in a hurry.

PvK · #8 December 30th, 2002, 02:32 AM

That's another balancing factor to consider - no upgrades.

PvK

Cheeze · #9 December 30th, 2002, 03:19 AM

Good point. But wasn't the refitting of weapons on fighters a primary factor in the US victory at Midway? Do you want to lose because all your fighters were on the carrier having their weapons changed?

Graeme Dice · #10 December 30th, 2002, 07:46 AM

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Originally posted by PvK:
Another advantage of ships is that they can be repaired...

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And the advantage of fighters is that they don't cost maintenance. I have about 1000 fighters sitting on each of my home waypoints in a proportions game. Any ships that come through get wiped out, because not much can withstand 4000 damage points every turn.