OT: Star Trek Nemesis

[Dracus]

I tape every show and then watch them all in re-runs.

Seven of nine WHat a babe.

[Dracus]

Enterprise second run airs sept 18 and I have my pvr aready to tape it.

[oleg]

Ok, here is mini-picture. it corresponds more or less to lightcruiser/cruiser slot. I can scale it up or down upon the request:
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Good for you, Dracus. Here in UK I'm afraid we will have to wait for 6+ monthes before paramaunt and C4 agree about royalties

[Captain Kwok]

It's a nice looking ship - very sleek. It's also very massive - 115 decks say the specs.

[Magnum357]

115 Decks?????? My god, its got to be a Battleship or dreadnaunght in SE4 terms. This ship might out-do a Soverign!

Hey, I do have a couple of questions about this movie though.

First-Does the Dominion War play an effect on how this story is going work? I mean, the Dominoin War was a very large and important war. I find it hard to beleive it wouldn't have major effects in the future.

Second-About the Show Enterprise, are we ever going to see Starfleet make first contact with the Romulans? I don't know if Enterprise is anywhere similar to SFB, but in SFB part of the reason the Federation was formed was because of the devestating effects the Romulan/Fed war in the 22nd Century. I would have sworn the Romulan War was etheir just before or just after the Federation was formed (at least in SFB terms).

[disabled]

There is an episode coming up where the Enterprise NX-01 runs into a romulan mine field. I think it's slated at episode 3 for the season.

They have also invited John Logan to script any romulan shows he wants to do and are being extremely careful abotu handling the romulans.

[Major Tom]

I personally try to pretend that Voyager never really happened, as well as parts of DS9. Those two shows really took Star Trek away form 'meeting new life and new civilizations' to 'meeting and killing new life and battling new civilizations'. Having 2 Star Trek shows on at a time was a bit much as well.

I can see that Enterprise might be drawn into the flashy special effects, big explosions, super spaceships, and major battles that obsessed DS9 and Voyager, notably with their obsession of time travel. However, the best thing that I have noticed about Enterprise is that they are getting back to the basics, charactor development over special effects. They do not have the same two dimensional and very boring characters that filled the Last two shows. In DS9 and Voyager, they all got along too well, it was like watching Full House, but in space.

I started watching Star Trek as a kid. Actually, my mother watched Star Trek when it was rerun in the late 60's and early 70's. I watched every episode of TNG, but lost interest in DS9 and Voyager and then became a fan of B5.

(I actually saw a picture of the new Romulan Warbird a few months ago, and was very dissappointed in it. At the time, it was very silver and non-Romulan looking. It was possibly just the angle that the picture was, but this one looks a heck of a lot better!)

[ August 31, 2002, 15:38: Message edited by: Major Tom ]

[disabled]

I saw that same picture, it was a pre-production picture I think. Like the ones they mock up for the producers to see.

I did a little bit more digging and found that Rick Berman wants to be very careful about the Romulans because it was firmly established that no one had seen them until Kirk's era.

So for the romulans in Enterprise, I understand the helmsman, mayweather, will be piloting the good ship across a minefield with expert ability....

something about it makes me say "Petal to the Metal, Commander!"

[Magnum357]

Well, that is good to hear that the Romulans will be introduced in Enterprise. And I'm glad to hear that they are "Being careful" with the Romulans in the show. But I still think they should include some sort of war between Starfleet and the Romulans. From stuff I have read by both Star Trek stuff and SFB stuff, the war Lasted a few years and was very devestating to both sides. And like I said before, in the SFB universe, the Romulan War was basically why the Federation was formed. It would be neat if they setup the series like this in comming seasons...

-First Contact with Romulans by attack of a Terran vessel (can't remember in my readings if it was a Cargo ship or an Exploration ship).
-Over the next few months, more and more incidents of Romulan incursions (etheir by attacks or espionage) on other races and even Terran ships and colonies (I assume their might be a few Terran OutPosts by the 22nd century).
-Many nearby races get in a panicked situation and start waring against Romulans, or attack other races due to Romulan involvment (I could see some very interesting episodes if it was built this way).
-After a couple of seasons, Starfleet and maybe even Vulcans find true intentions by Romulans and try too form an Alliance against the Threat.
-War starts between the Romulans and the Alliance. Last for a few years with devestating loses and results in a stalemate.
-Neutral Zone is established by way of Sub-space Radio and rules are established between governments.
-Just After War, with such devestating loses to Alliances forces, a centralized government is formed (with opposition of course) between races which form the core of what we see today of the Federation. An new force within the Alpha Quadrant to supress the Evil Romulan Empire. Takes decades for the new Alliance to root itself into the publics trust, but time heals all wounds.
-Just after the Federation is formed, Section 31 is secretly established by parinoid individuals in order to keep the Federation intact at any cost.

By the Way, what ever they do, they should make the Romulans Warp Capable. Even if their War Engines are subpar to Starfleets, it wouldn't be logical to have the romulans such a threat without Warp Technology. They may have inferior Warp engines, but their weapons (Plasma Torpedos, Cloaks) make up for that big time. The Klingons should probably not be involved with this becuase they might have had a war with the Romulans in the past and figure it was best to be kept out of it.

I know, just my theory and pretty war like. Although Major Tom may disagree with me about involving War to the Stat Trek Series, I liked DS(I agree about Voyager, it was getting cheesy on how easy to destroy borg) but I really liked the Dominion War. What ever people think how bad war is, it does play a major role on how societies are formed and how much it impacts history.

[Atrocities]

The only way they could introduce the Romulans is to keep that and any contact top secret. That way it can be explained why Kirk and crew did not know what they looked like.

Look at it this way, if Earth knew that the Romulans of Enterprises era were Vulcan, and given the already tense relationship, they would openly expel the Vulcans as Romulans thus destroying any future relationship with the Vulcans.

Its like keeping people in the dark about the end of our civilization. To tell us would instil panic. Better to keep it quite and let us continue to live our meger lives to the bitter end.

The enterprise D had something like 49 decks, the E has half that. So any ship with a 115 decks would have to be a Star Base in Trek terms.

[ September 01, 2002, 06:56: Message edited by: Atrocities ]