Polish and Bulgarian OOBs

[blazejos]

My own interpretaion of MiG-15/17 in various Eastern block states

Also with using license variants PZL Lim and Czechoslovak Aero. Of course Pibwl data are propably more accurate. But Polish Lim were used in Bulgaria ,DDR and Indonesia. Czechoslovak Aero in Czechoslovakia were produced also locally. They were license but with small differences in guns for example Lim's 1 and 2 used NS-23mm instead of typical NR-23mm then in LIM-5 back NR-23mm were used. Also Lim-5P which were aircrafts with onboard radar! in front nose visible on photos. They have only 23mm gun. I also add to OOB Czechoslovak Aero Aero S-104 is variant with radar. Also DDR used Polish build lim's in variants Lim-5 & Lim-6. I used here avaiable icons and photos.

[blazejos]

In case of infamous Internal Security Corps (KBW) polish variant of soviets internal troops. Here are photos of TOSU-76 APC and also their Su-76 and Su-57

[Pibwl]

968 FA-50 - AP cluster bombs (Korean CBU-103) were not bought by Poland, so it should have 4 Mavericks only. It seems, that alternatively 6 x 226 kg Mk 82 bombs can be carried (including GBU-38 JDAM), or even 8 in max variant, not counting central pod reserved for a fuel tank usually (https://fa-50.pl/charakterystyka-uzb...amolotu-fa-50/). There might be the second entry with bombs.

It could also be a fighter-bomber.
(to be precise, first two were shown on a parade in 8/23, right after a delivery, but they were commissioned only in 9/23, and I don't know when the crews, which started training afterwards, are combat ready...)

All Su-22M4 - only from late 2015 (say 1/16) Polish Su-22 started to be repainted in a grey camouflage during maintenance. Earlier they were in multi-shade brown and green camo - icons 8492 and 1993 with spread wings look very good. If we won't double all 10 units, they should be in an older camo IMO, because it was their most active and longer period, and I assume, that many remained after 2016 in the old camo for some time.
(Just in case you'd want to double all units - which I don't propose, older ones should get lbms: 4742, 4743, 29237, 29473 lbms, while newer ones: 4744, 4745)

Rocket artillery:
974 WR-40 Pl - better name is Langusta Pl

975 Homar Section - HIMARS is actually named Homar-A (American).

976 K239 Chunmoo PL - Chunmoo is named Homar-K (obviously, Korean). However, Poland didn't buy weak 131 mm rockets, but 239 mm CGR-080 export rockets (range 80 km, around 90 kg warhead, apparently HE) (12 on a launcher, so 3x24 seems correct, like US M270). Precise specifications are not known, but it is marketed as roughly the same as US 227 mm M30 GMLRS. The same rocket might be added also to Korean variant (reportedly with a cluster munnition).
First one given to the unit in late 11/23 (now 8/23, when the first completed launchers were tested in Poland) - 1/24 is more realistic date of readiness.

BTW: in Romanian OOB, 171 HIMARS Section - ordered in 2018, but the first delivered and commissioned by 3/21 only (now 1/18). It is truck mounted (lbm 9037).

[Pibwl]

Minor SAM tweaks:

048 S-125 Newa - from a new detailed article in Polish nTW 10/2022, withdrawn by 1997 (now 104).

564 S-125 Newa-S - SP variant Newa-S was developed and shown only in 6/93 (now 1/92)

561, 569 S-125 Newa-SC (Area/SP-SAM) - digital modernized SP variant Newa-SC was completed from 1998 (now 1/95). 561 area SAM should be used until 2025 as well.

(in fact both Newa-S and SC are not SP-SAM, but a mobile area SAM system on SP chassis, which takes 15 minutes to get ready from a transport mode (comparing to hours in case of ordinary SA-3 Neva) and needs a separate command/control vehicle and missile transporters - but the icon is quite cool, and a speed is appropriately low)

076 S-200 Vega - should have radio code 3, just like unit 074 S-200 Vega (only two stationery platoons on a seaside)

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Forgive so many remarks, of medium importance, and for the last moment, but only recently I got into browsing military press from the last period, for SPMBT purpose.

[Pibwl]

Polish OOB:

037 K9PL Krab - the name is very wrong. It is just Krab (some call it AHS Krab, but it's unnecessary, AHS = SP gun-howitzer). K9 is a different Korean vehicle.
Starting date might be actually 12/12 (now 1/16), when the first 8 guns were given to military trials in an unit (on old chassis still). However, before 8/17, when the first battalion was given to the combat unit, it should have radio code 3.

Poland bought also original K9A1, delivered to combat units from 12/22, operational (after first fire trials) from 3/23. It should be copied from Korean OOB 045 unit, gun should be the same 155/52 as Krab, AAMG presumably #176 50cal M2 AAMG. Name K9PL was reserved for a future version produced partially in Poland.

Polish Piorun SAM (unit 212) were sold to Norway and delivered in 12/23, so I suppose they could use them at once since 1/24 (according to Polish nTW 1/2024 article).

BTW: according to the article and Norwegian Wikipedia https://no.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robot_70 and articles quoted there, RBS-70 were used by Norway only until 2004 (then sold to Lithuania), while Mistrals were used on ships only. After 2004 Norway had no infantry SAMs.

[Pibwl]

Originally Posted by Pibwl

Polish OOB:

037 K9PL Krab - the name is very wrong. It is just Krab (some call it AHS Krab, but it's unnecessary, AHS = SP gun-howitzer). K9 is a different Korean vehicle.

Same for Ukrainian unit 819 K9PL Krab

[Pibwl]

There is a new detailed article from 2021 on Polish ATGMs- earlier I had more general info.

030 BRDM Trzmiel - deliveries starting from 1963, used in units from 1964 only (or late 63, but there is no precise info) (now 1/62). Effectively withdrawn in 1978 (although stored until 1985).
Needs change of a starting date in 082 SP-ATGM Platoon

To be precise, initially until 1963 they were used in four-vehicle batteries (I guess, two-vehicle platoons), later in three-vehicle platoons (and six-vehicle batteries).

433 GAZ-69 Trzmiel - two launchers delivered in 1964, but only in 1965 a battery was formed in an airborne division (now 1/62). Should have radio x3 - only 8 vehicles.

033 BRDM Malutka - should have radio x3 - actually a couple of vehicles only (2 or 12). Named BRDM-M (proposed: BRDM-M Malutka). Should vanish with an advent of BRDM-2 Malutka2

024 BRDM-2 Malutka2 - delivered only in 1974 (now 1/73). I suggest name BRDM2 Malutka-P (it wasn't Malutka 2, which was later Soviet modification with a precursor, but Malutka-P with semi-automatic guidance on 9P133 SP launcher)

034 BRDM-2 Konkurs - used from 1985 only (now 1/84).

077 HMMWV Trynka AT - not existing (Trynka was MG-armed prototype), but additonally redundant because of 861 HMMWV Tumak-5
A review of Polish Hmvees https://modelwork.pl/topic/11777-hmm...ojsku-polskim/

73 Fagot ATGM - this time it was available earlier, in 1977 (now 1/79)

481 Para Fagot ATGM - actually, paratroops didn't get Fagots initially (maybe only from around 1990 - unit 490), so this is redundant.

[Pibwl]

Helicopters

I've found a detailed article from 2021 on Polish helicopters.

424 SM-1 - started to appear in army units from 2/57 only (now 1/56)
(needs change in #95 Lt Helicopter formation)

115 Mi-2URN - better icon is camouflaged 931 (uniform green color is used mostly in last years).

117 Mi-2URP - the same icon as above. It should have crew=2 (missile operator) and carry=4.
Ending date should be 4/90 (now 12/91) - all were disarmed due to CFE treaty and armed again in 1993, but the unit 740 (below) is enough to cover later period I think.

740 Mi-2URPG - tested in 1987, but appeared only in 1988. The name was usually written as Mi-2URP-G, sometimes also with a name: Gad.

I have a problem with ending date (now 12/91). In fact, they were used until 2020 at least, although I think, for combat training rather (after 2012 they remained Polish only helicopters with ATGM, despite obsolete ones).
I personally made a photo in 2009 https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Mi-2URP-G_1.jpg
Funny feature was, that apart from 4 Malutka missiles, they had 4 more inside, and could land for a while to reload (the same for 117 Mi-2URP without Strela missiles).
It should have crew=2 and carry=4

741 Mi-2URNG - it appeared, that there didn't exist such variant with rockets (RN) and Strela missiles (G)

742 Mi-2US - actually appeared sooner, 1/72 at the latest (now 1/73)
(needs change in #45 Gunship Section).
Used only until late 70s (say 1978), then converted to URN/URP.


963,964 SW-3W Huzar - SW-3 helicopters with Spike remained a proposal only. No Spikes are used on Polish helicopters.


965 AH-64E Apache - not before 12/25 - Poland ordered the biggest fleet of Apaches after the USA (are we that rich?), but they are not expected before 2026 (not mentioning training)


966 SW-4 - much better icon is 2345 (of Fennec) instead of a bulbous 753 (of Bo-105?) (bottom view: https://www.mojehobby.pl/zdjecia/9/8...ARP90033_1.jpg )

967 Mi-2 Kania (light helicopter) - in fact, Kania was a small series modernized variant not used by the army (only police and border guards) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PZL_Kania
Some had vision devices (which might justify TI 40), but personally I'd remove this non-army unit.
It might be changed to ordinary Mi-2 with night goggles (only rename it as Mi-2 and correct carry to 108).

BTW: regular 116 Mi-2 was also rather treated as a "light" helicopter in Poland (and all Eastern bloc), in spite of its 8-men capacity. It could be made a light helicopter, which would bridge a gap between #095 Lt Helicopter - Available: 01/56-06/83 and #096 Lt Helicopter - Available: 01/95-12/125
(with no night vision devices, it could then be available until unit 967 with night goggles)

BTW2: maybe all Mi-2 should have carry capacity 8 instead of 108? With ordinary side doors it could only transport a HMG inside, maybe a light recoilles gun. In theory, 800 kg could be hanged externally.

428 W-3W Sokol - to be precise, should be available from 5/94, like the others (now 4/94) (first date of giving to units is 12 May 1994).

961 W-3W Sokol - date as above.
It should have icon 3455 with side pods (like unit 123)

In 1/86-8/90 also three heavy Mi-6A were used, unarmed (Soviet unit 351)
(would need a formation for a heavy helicopter)