Proportions + Devnull + special ingredients = Derek's Mod Gold

wr8th · #1 May 8th, 2002, 05:15 PM

It's the cryo-chambers. Those things weigh a ton (literally)

geoschmo · #2 May 8th, 2002, 05:27 PM

quote:
Originally posted by Devin D.Bass:
Wow! This looks like a great MOD. In fact it might be the ultimate MOD....

Mr. Devin D. Bass,

You must immediatley cease and desist from using the term "Ultimate" in referance to the "Derek's Mod Gold". The term "Ultimate" is intellectual property of a Hadrian Aventine and SpaceEmpires.org and is pending copyright proceedings. No use of the term in referance to "Derek's Mod Gold" or any other Space Empires IV mod other than the official "Ultimate Mod" or "Ultimate Mod 2" is permitted.

Sincerly,
I. M. Kidding, esquire
Dewy, Cheatum, and Howe
Attornies at Law

[ 08 May 2002: Message edited by: geoschmo ]

Derek · #3 May 8th, 2002, 05:45 PM

quote:
Originally posted by Captain Kwok:

Are the colonists storing fat to survive the long haul to their new homes?

1 000 kT = 1 000 000 T / 1 000 000 colonists = 1 T/colonist or 1 000 Kg/colonist...

Heh. No, but when you consider all the luggage, supplies, support structure and such that you would have to take to emigrate to a completely new planet, along with life support and such for the journey, you might get more than 1 ton per person.

Look at it this way: on a modern cruise ship, which never sails too far from land, and in which you only take enough luggage to Last a week or so, you still have each person occupying a large amount of space. I would say easily tow or three tons per person. Cruise ships weigh on the order of 70kT nowadays, and only hold two or three thousand passengers, along with the same amount of crew. They don't even have to carry their own oxygen.

Even when you consider military transports, you still have a lot of space taken up by incidentals.

Finally, it slows down the growth of colonies, which is part of the point of the economic model of Proportions, and as such, my mod.

On the other hand, I am considering cutting it in half, to 500kt per population point. Thats what playtesting is for

Derek

Growltigga · #4 May 8th, 2002, 06:06 PM

quote:
Originally posted by geoschmo:
Dewy, Cheatum, and Howe
Attornies at Law

are they the US sister firm of Robbem, Screwem and Scarper over here in England?

Wardad · #5 May 8th, 2002, 06:13 PM

Naaa,

They don't SOLICIT at THE BAR in the US. lol

Ok not so funny, you heard it before.

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[ 08 May 2002: Message edited by: Wardad ]

PvK · #6 May 8th, 2002, 06:58 PM

That's correct.

If you just want nude colonists with no equipment or food or life support, and to drop 'em off on a planet where the gravity and temperature and atmosphere and weather and local creatures are all completely alien to them, and then ask them to start cranking out the Capital ships ASAP, well... they won't even survive the trip. They'll weigh less, but won't do you much good unless your race has the "just add water - freeze-dried hybernation" advantage, or something. And even then, they'll need all sorts of construction, manufacturing, life support, power generation, medical, and other equipment to keep them alive and productive (instead of just becoming castaways) on the alien world.

The other thing is that 1 kT = an abstract measurement that determines what can be put on a design, but otherwise can't be expected to be consistent. We had a long discussion of colony ship sizes and so on on one of the Proportions threads - I think the "Proportions 2.1 released" one. If you start doing math thinking in terms of volume, Proportions' pop sizes start seeming really generous.

Derek, if you include the Starliner Modules from Proportions 2.2, the maximum population transportation rate more or less doubles, which would be easier (and IMO more interesting/realistic) than halving their mass.

PvK

quote:
Originally posted by Derek:

Heh. No, but when you consider all the luggage, supplies, support structure and such that you would have to take to emigrate to a completely new planet, along with life support and such for the journey, you might get more than 1 ton per person.

Look at it this way: on a modern cruise ship, which never sails too far from land, and in which you only take enough luggage to Last a week or so, you still have each person occupying a large amount of space. I would say easily tow or three tons per person. Cruise ships weigh on the order of 70kT nowadays, and only hold two or three thousand passengers, along with the same amount of crew. They don't even have to carry their own oxygen.

Even when you consider military transports, you still have a lot of space taken up by incidentals.

Finally, it slows down the growth of colonies, which is part of the point of the economic model of Proportions, and as such, my mod.

On the other hand, I am considering cutting it in half, to 500kt per population point. Thats what playtesting is for

Derek

Talenn · #7 May 8th, 2002, 07:03 PM

PvK's post brings up one question I have about this mod. What 'level' of Devnull and Proportions is it up to and is it going to be updated to include the latest and greatest changes as they occur.

I only ask this as I dont want to get addicted to a mod that eventually becomes 'orphaned' like my own original mod did.

Are there plans to keep this bad boy updated? It truly looks like it might be an 'ultimate' (err, yeah...that word) mod.

Thanx,
Talenn