How happiness works? (answer is here)

Asmala · #1 February 7th, 2003, 11:05 PM

I made a test. My empire was alone in the system, and it's happiness type was peaceful and modifer 100%. I did nothing but clicked end turn. At first my people was happy, but at turn three they became indifferent. I went to the turn 30 and they still were indifferent.

Natural Decrease := -20

30 - 44 Indifferent 100%
15 - 29 Happy 120%

So why my people became angrier though they should be happier?

Btw, does anybody know how the happiness affects reproduction?

[ February 15, 2003, 23:02: Message edited by: asmala ]

Suicide Junkie · #2 February 7th, 2003, 11:09 PM

IIRC, natural decrease moves your mood towards indifferent.

So if your people are rioting, and there are no modifiers making them angry, they will eventually get bored and go back to work.
If they are super-happy, with no modifiers making htem happier, they will eventually settle back into the drudgery of day to day work.

The natural decrease for other races is of the opposite sign, so if they are happy, they get happier, and if they are angry, they get angrier.

Asmala · #3 February 7th, 2003, 11:30 PM

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Originally posted by Suicide Junkie:
The natural decrease for other races is of the opposite sign, so if they are happy, they get happier, and if they are angry, they get angrier.

IMO that's now very well planned. Is natural decrease only modifier which moves mood towards indifferent? This make neutral happiness type even more for the worse.

If my planet is jubiliant and I have ten troops there then its mood doesn't change, right?

How much Urban Pacification Center affects? There is only 1, 2 and 3 at ability value in facility.txt. That can't mean # points decrease which almost same than troop has.

Fyron · #4 February 7th, 2003, 11:39 PM

The happiness file alters Anger levels, not Happiness levels. The Happiness level is a result of the anger level. Check SE4 Modding 101 Tutorial (linked in my sig) for lots of info on the happiness file.

Instar · #5 February 8th, 2003, 02:15 AM

to get happiness you must take valium or prozac... oh you mean SEIV
heh, n/m

Asmala · #6 February 16th, 2003, 12:49 AM

I made lots of experiments and found how the happiness works. I don't know if this is already known but nobody answered to my question so I assume this is new information. Therefore I'll post this to Newbie FAQ too.

First, every new colonization (including homeworld) has 25% angry people, and that means the happiness level is Happy.

In every turn all positive and negative events are add up, round down and then added to angry level.

Every +5% in Happiness causes -0,1% and every -5% in Happiness causes 0,1% change in anger level. For example if you have +20% Happiness bonus, it's like you have two troops on your every planet.

I also noticed that homeworlds doesn't riot.

Some comments would be nice. Although this looks very simple it took very long time for me to solve it.

Asmala · #7 February 16th, 2003, 01:11 AM

Max Positive Anger Change := 200

This is the maximum amount that the anger level of a planet can change in a positive direction in 1 turn.

Max Negative Anger Change := -200

This is the maximum amount that the anger level of a planet can change in a negative direction in 1 turn.

That is copied from SE4 Modding 101 Tutorial and now I have a question (again

). I changed the following in the happiness.txt
Our Troops on Planet := 100
Our Ship in Sector := -3000
The planet was first jubiliant. I built there one turn's worth troops and it started rioting immediately. Then I built one ship, and the planet became jubliant again in one turn. So how that max anger change actually works?

couslee · #8 February 16th, 2003, 01:26 AM

max positive anger change means MORE anger. Putting "Our Troops on Planet := 100" told the game to have your people get real pissed off if you have your troops on your planet. Not sure how the max anger was bypassed, but one turn worth of troops is how many? 10? 18? 6?

From what I know, a planet will not go from riot to jubilant in one turn. I am sure the more proficent modders will be able to answer that better.

Fyron · #9 February 16th, 2003, 01:41 AM

First off, I notice that I have 2 typoes in the modding tutorial.

"Our Ship in Sector" and "Our Ship in System" have this in their descriptions:

"This value supercedes the Enemy Ship in System value."

and they should not have that. I will fix it later when I get back home (in a few days

).

Now to your question:

My guess would be that se4 does not take the max change per turn values in absolute when dealing with such large numbers for anger modifiers (such as -3000, or 100 for each troop). If you can, run this same test on an older Version of SE4, to see if it was always like this, or if this is a recent change in the latest patch (could be a new bug or something).

Asmala · #10 February 16th, 2003, 01:46 AM

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Originally posted by couslee:
max positive anger change means MORE anger. Putting "Our Troops on Planet := 100" told the game to have your people get real pissed off if you have your troops on your planet.

Yep I know and that was the purpose.

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Not sure how the max anger was bypassed, but one turn worth of troops is how many? 10? 18? 6?

One turn worth troops was 16.

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From what I know, a planet will not go from riot to jubilant in one turn. I am sure the more proficent modders will be able to answer that better.

I thought so but when I tested it the planet indeed went from riot to jubilant in one turn!