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Old January 7th, 2014, 07:50 PM
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Anyone know what this is ? ( Besides being a Russian triple AA gun.........)

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PV-1 aircraft machine gun adopted to AAMG use after it was retired from aircraft use. Wikipedia even has a picture of the triple mount from a different angle:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PV-1_machine_gun

Notice that the middle gun has a similar barrel jacket to the picture you posted and different from the other two; probably this gun was made with at least the two different jacket styles.

Obviously this triple mount made a lot more sense than the extremely heavy quadruple AA mounting of the regular water-cooled Maxim.

Not an easy one, since it's easy to forget about the relatively mundane pre-WW2 PV-1, and I also did not know that they were adopted to ground use during the war.
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Anyone ?? I *think* it's a version of the Bohler







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This, on the other hand, is fairly easy:

Italian Model 08/13 65mm L/17 mountain gun, original designation Cannone da montagna 65A, later designation Cannone da 65/17 Modello 1908/1913. Since 1930s tactical role was cannone d'accompagnamento, which means roughly the same as "infantry gun", although the 47mm Böhler partially replaced it in that role after 1935. Still available in large numbers and widely used in WW2 as an infantry gun (also for indirect fire when required) and emergency AT gun (HEAT was available since 1941). The Italian equivalent of the German 7.5 cm le.IG and the Soviet 75mm M27 regimental gun.

Italian Wikipedia page with much more info from good sources than the English one:

http://it.wikipedia.org/wiki/65/17_Mod._1908/1913
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