Semi OT: Strange Coincedence?

[BigJMoney]

I own a few products from White Wolf, mainly known for their pen and paper RPG products, notably "Vampire: The Masquerade" (now "The Requiem"), and I decided to take a look at their product called Mage. Now, like Vampire, they have come out with a new version and given it a new subtitle. Get this.

The old Mage was called Mage: The Ascension. See if you can guess what the new one is called? That's right, it's called Mage: The Awakening. The theme, setting and mood of this role playing product bear no resemblance to Dominions that I can see, but I wonder if this is a total coincedence or if there was some kind of demon-psychic connection going on... [img]/threads/images/Graemlins/Cold.gif[/img]

Anyone play this game or other White Wolf products?

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[Sheap]

I remember Vampire: The Masquerade. My goth friends in highschool loved it. I preferred Magic: The Gathering (now "Magic: The Cash Cow").

[Endoperez]

I don't play Mage, but I know of it. Mage: The Ascension (or some other version) was a future timeline version of Ars Magica, the game that largely inspired Dominions magic system.

[Jack_Trowell]

... And the concept of "awakening" was already present in "Mage: the Ascension", well before dom3 (probably even before dom2)

And yes as Endoperez says, Mage was first build with a backstory that followed in the present days that of Ars Magica (the last edition however, "Mage : the Awakening" as completly redone the universe, and started again without anymore reference to Ars Magica or other previous material)

Ars Magica, while not perfect, had an amazing system were the mage were at the same time the main characters (a same player could at the same time play the mage or one of his followers) and the basics of what was almost a strategy game : beetween adventures there were rules for what the mage did during each seasons : reasearch/invent new spells, use Virtus/Vis ("gems") to forge magic items or cast large rituals, empower the mage, etc ...

Dominions could have choosen a worst model ^_^

[Archonsod]

Sheap said:
I remember Vampire: The Masquerade. My goth friends in highschool loved it. I preferred Magic: The Gathering (now "Magic: The Cash Cow").

Heh, White Wolf now have the "World of Cash Cows".

Interesting OT observation - the entire gaming economy would collapse if the ":" was removed from English grammar...

[BigJMoney]

Lol, you're probably right. I've never paid attention to how it's almost a true standard now.

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[Agrajag]

Archonsod said:
Interesting OT observation - the entire gaming economy would collapse if the ":" was removed from English grammar...

They'd quickly rebound with "-", like this: "Magic - The Gathering".
If we went back to the way the original byble was written (ie, just letters, no spaces, no periods, no full stops, no NIKKUD), then we'd have a serious problem.
Though we'd have a problem anyway since its pretty hard to understand anything that is written that way.
todemonstratehereisthisfairlysimplesentenceseeifyo ucangetitallespeciallysincetherearenoperiodstomake senseofitwithandconsideringmyshoddygrammer

[HoneyBadger]

If I remember correctly, the Bible was originally written something like this:

grammarshoddymyconsideringandwithitofsense
seeifyoucangetitallespeciallysincetherearenoperiod stomake
sentencesimplefairlythisisheredemonstrateto

I might be thinking of another ancient language, but I believe that's the structure used, bottom to top, following the sentence across the page. Ofcourse, the original old testiment could have been written in several different languages.

[Agrajag]

HoneyBadger said:
If I remember correctly, the Bible was originally written something like this:

grammarshoddymyconsideringandwithitofsense
seeifyoucangetitallespeciallysincetherearenoperiod stomake
sentencesimplefairlythisisheredemonstrateto

I might be thinking of another ancient language, but I believe that's the structure used, bottom to top, following the sentence across the page. Ofcourse, the original old testiment could have been written in several different languages.

Right to Left is obvious, since Hebrew is written RTL.
I'm not sure about bottom to top though.

Also, AFAIK most of the bible was written in (ancient) hebrew, and a smaller portion of it an Aramian (or however you spell that in English :X)

[Will]

Agrajag said:
todemonstratehereisthisfairlysimplesentenceseeifyo ucangetitallespeciallysincetherearenoperiodstomake senseofitwithandconsideringmyshoddygrammer

I think you meant:
todemonstratehereisthisfairlysimplesentenceseeifyo ucangetitallespeciallysincetherearenoperiodstomake senseofitwithandconsideringmyshoddygrammar