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chrispedersen · #1 August 22nd, 2009, 01:44 AM

Game is delayed 24 hours.
It will be delayed another 24 hours if bwaha needs it.
Quick hosting is on - so if he gets a turn in turns will run.

Bwaha · #2 August 22nd, 2009, 04:03 PM

Okay, it looks like they aren't going to force me to evacuate.

So game on...

On the subject of Yomi. It seems to me that we have another overpowered Race.

I ran a solo game with them and found they are more overpowered than any of the older races.

1. Darkness. Its still broke, and they don't even need to cast it. (Innate power)

2. There's a hero that comes out of the box with shadow-blast as a power.(No gem cost either)

In other words this race should be heavily nerfed...

chrispedersen · #3 August 23rd, 2009, 01:16 AM

I did heavily nerf it (compared to previous version).

I voiced my concerns to Alpine about this earlier that I thought it was (still) too strong - and it was his contention that the troops are chaff.

My inclination is to leave the current game as is and post nerf after. But I'd be interested in everyone's thoughts.

chrispedersen · #4 August 23rd, 2009, 01:17 AM

Oh, and I think the shadow blasting hero is CBM/native, not mine.

the Vanishag · #5 August 23rd, 2009, 09:29 PM

Hey, I'm back.

Quote:

Originally Posted by chrispedersen

My inclination is to leave the current game as is and post nerf after. But I'd be interested in everyone's thoughts.

I'd rather not change the mod in mid-game.

Alpine Joe · #6 August 23rd, 2009, 09:40 PM

Autocast darkness is very powerful, and I admit I am noticing its power now vs. Sauromatia, especially against his cavalry.

I still don't think it is drastically better than a jaguar warrior rush or niefel giant rush, but Yomi is very very good in this version of the mod. I would be okay with a nerf midgame, if that is the majority decisions. Extra weight should be given to Bwaha's opinion in this case as he is facing the brunt of yomi's strength.

One suggestion would be to give yomi a national darkness spell available at lower level and less gems. That way it would still require some research and effort, while not being too far off to be useable in repelling rush nations.

If we don't want to change mods, I would be okay with agreeing not to recruit anymore of my darkness auto-casting commanders as well.

chrispedersen · #7 August 24th, 2009, 12:40 AM

Just to continue my thoughts on it (and I would still like to hear others thoughts...

It has always been my intention to make "light lances" which, as you may imagine, allow the bearer to cast solar brilliance.

But moreover - there are a lot of nations that have partial or full darkvision- the agarthas, atlantis, and many of these nations are among the weaker nations.

So, besides boosting yomi - this made a lot of other nations more competitive.

Bwaha: You are the second best skeleton spammer in the game. Undead are immune to darkness. Instead of building cav etc - set up skelly spammers.

It may be too late because of Yomi's size. So far, I am not inclined to nerf in this game; I am thinking of decreasing the summons by the wolf brothers by 2 or so, and inreasing the cost of the incunabulai by 100.

AlgaeNymph · #8 August 25th, 2009, 05:03 AM

Did the game skip to turn 12 all of a sudden? I didn't get that turn in the mail. Would you hold the game for me if it is on turn 12?

chrispedersen · #9 August 25th, 2009, 04:54 PM

Well, it seems you did stale the last turn Algae
if you need extra time on this turn, I'll try to keep a look out for it.

AlgaeNymph · #10 August 25th, 2009, 10:11 PM

I just sent my .2h file in, but the reply says that it's waiting on my nation (Agartha) and that everyone else has sent theirs in.