Anomaly reports

[Richard_H]

Machine Guns. I've made the assumption with this and (I hope) all other infantry units that the hand grenade loadout is by convention a multiple of the number of men in the unit. If I'm wrong, such information can be ignored.

Class 4 – MG Section

I’ve noticed that speeds for MMGs/GPMGs are either 5 (222 units) or 6 (40 units), probably according to the ideas of the individual oob designer. Taking nothing else into consideration, I have standardised on 5, if only because 6 is the standard infantry unit speed and I believe that there should be some penalty for the additional encumbrance. I may, however, have gone the wrong way, or this may be one of those cases where a standard speed isn’t necessary; in either case mea culpa.

Israel 465, Mujahadeen 96, Belgium 91 & 92, Denmark 298-302, E.Germany 79, Cyprus 206, Sweden 220-223, and Bulgaria 295-297 have Weight 1, all others have 0.

E.Germany 79 & 211, Romania 96, Red 149, Bosnia 47 & Croatia 47 have FC & RF 0, all others have 1/1.

NVA has reduced crew and size for HMG sections. Probably a country thing.

Denmark 298-302 have 7 crew for 2 MMG. Again, probably a country thing.

.30cal M1917 – Used by Austria 90 as a MMG.

.30cal M1919 – Libya 196 has Size 1 and Crew 8, others have 0/6. It also has 8 Weapon 4 (Hand Grenade) rounds.
USA 773 has Crew 10 for 3 guns, Japan 281 has 9. May be a country thing?
S.Korea 255 has 8 Weapon 4 (Hand Grenade) rounds for 6 Crew.

FN-MAG (& derivatives) – Libya 197 & Chile 91 have Size 1, others have 0. They also have Crew 8 for 2 guns (others have 6), and the Libyan unit has 8 Weapon 4 (Hand Grenade) rounds.
Sweden 223 has Crew 8 for 2 guns.
UK 180 & 181, Gulf 91, Pakistan 298, Belgium 89 & 90, Netherlands 184 & 185, Greece 191 & 192, Chad 79, Saudi 91 & Uganda 76 have Speed 6, others have 5.

DShK – Egypt 90 & Syria 100 have Speed 3, others have 4.
N.Korea 422 & 424 have Crew 5, others have 4. They also have 5 Weapon 4 (Hand Grenade) rounds.

M2/M2HB – ARVN 67 & Sweden 225 have Size 0 for a section, others have 1.
ARVN 67 has 6 Crew for 2 guns, others have 8. It also has 12 Weapon 4 (Hand Grenade) rounds.
Uruguay 131 & 132 and Paraguay 92 have 6 Weapon 4 (Hand Grenade) rounds for 8 Crew.

M60 – Mujahadeen 94 has Size 1, others have 0.
Gulf 92, S.Korea 251 & 256, Taiwan 251, Mujahadeen 94, ARVN 66, Saudi 92, Zimbabwe 43 & Uganda 75 have Speed 6, others have 5.

Maxim – E.Germany 211 has Size 0, others have 1. It also has Crew 3, others have 4, and 3 Weapon 3 (Hand Grenade) rounds.
Czech 350 has Crew 7 for 2 guns, others have 8. It also has 4 Weapon 4 (Hand Grenade) rounds.
Red 149 has Crew 3 and Speed 5, others have 4/4. It also has 3 Weapon 3 (Hand Grenade) rounds.
Poland 350 has 6 Weapon 4 (Hand Grenade) rounds for 8 Crew.

MG42 (and derivatives) – Sweden 221 has 8 Crew for 2 guns, 222 has 10 crew for 3 guns. Others have 3 crew per gun.

MG3 – Pakistan 297, Greece 671, Turkey 372 & 373, W.Germany 264-266, Angola 75 & Sudan 93 have Speed 6. Standard for MMG is 5, although 6 is the majority here (qv note above).

NSV – Syria 101 has Speed 3, others have 4.
N.Korea 423 has Crew 5, others have 4. It also has 5 Weapon 4 (Hand Grenade) rounds.

PKM/PKMS – Mujahadeen 93 & Libya 199 have Size 1, others have 0.
N.Korea 421 has Crew 4, others have 3. It also has 4 Weapon 4 (Hand Grenade) rounds.
Libya 199 has Crew 8 for 2 guns, others have 6. It also has 8 Weapon 4 (Hand Grenade) rounds.
Egypt 88 & Syria 98 have Speed 4, Mujahadeen 93 has 6, others have 5.

SG-43 – Czech 351 & 352 have Size 1, others have 0. They also have Crew 7 (others have 6), and 4 Weapon 4 (Hand Grenade) rounds.

SGM – Mujahadeen 92 & Libya 198 have Size 1, others have 0.
N.Korea 420 has Crew 4, others have 3. It also has 4 Weapon 4 (Hand Grenade) rounds.
Libya 198 has Crew 8 for 2 guns, others have 6. It also has 8 Weapon 4 (Hand Grenade) rounds.
Egypt 87, Syria 97, Chad 77 & Sudan 91 have Speed 4, others have 5.

Type 67 – Mujahadeen 95 has Speed 6, others have 5.
Zimbabwe 42 has 5 Weapon 4 (Hand Grenade) rounds, for 6 Crew.

Type 77 HMG – China 299 has Speed 5, standard for a HMG is 4. While the Type 77 is much lighter than the Type 54, it’s still twice the weight of the Type 67 GPMG (http://world.guns.ru).

Type 92 HMG – Indonesia 90 has Speed 5, standard HMG speed is 4.

Vickers HMG – Libya 519 has Crew 8 for 1 gun, others have 4.
Gulf 90, Uruguay 130 & Paraguay 93 have 6 Weapon 4 (Hand Grenade) rounds for 8 Crew.

Vz.37 – Israel 463, Romania 92 & Bulgaria 294 have Crew 6 for 2 guns, others have 8. They also have 6 Weapon 4 (Hand Grenade) rounds.
Romania 92 has Speed 4, others have 5.
Peru 574 is mis-named, there is only one.

zb.53 HMG – Chile 92 has 6 crew for 2 guns. Standard crew for HMG is 4. It also has 6 Weapon 4 (Hand Grenade) rounds.

Richard H

[Richard_H]

MG Part 2

Class 144 – Para MG

Poland 475 & 476 have FC 2, standard for MMG is 1.
Switzerland 360 & 361 have FC 0 & Rangefinder 0, standard for both is 1.

.30cal M1919 – Greece 317 has Speed 6, others have 5.
Argentina 486 has 8 Crew for 2 guns, standard is 6. It also has 8 Weapon 4 (Hand Grenade) rounds.

DShK – Indonesia 575 & 582 have Speed 5, standard is 4.

FN-MAG – Greece 318 & 319 have Speed 6, others have 5.
Argentina 487 has 8 Crew for 2 guns, standard is 6. It also has 8 Weapon 4 (Hand Grenade) rounds.

M2/M2HB – Indonesia 574 & 581 have Speed 5, standard is 4.
Switzerland 360 & 361 have Crew 6 for 2 guns, others have 8. They also have 4 Weapon 3 (Hand Grenade) rounds.

SG-43 – Czech 475 & 476 have Crew 7 for 2 guns, standard is 6. They also have 4 Weapon 4 (Hand Grenade) rounds and Size 1 (others have 0).


Class 149 – Para MG Section

M2/M2HB – Belgium 526, 538 & 539 have Speed 5, standard is 4. They also have FC & Rangefinder 0, standard is 1/1.

MG42 (and derivatives) – Portugal 219 & 220 have 8 Crew for 2 guns, standard is 6. They also have 8 Weapon 4 (Hand Grenade) rounds.


Class 176 – Heavy MG

Mujahadeen 112 has Weight 1, standard is 0.

Norway 118-120 and Switzerland 162 & 163 have FC & Rangefinder 0, standard is 1/1.

Indonesia 97 & 98 have Speed 5, standard is 4.

DShK – Russia 572 & Czech 354 have 3 crew, standard is 4. Czech unit also has 3 Weapon 3 (Hand Grenade) rounds.
Czech 353 has 7 Crew for 2 guns, standard is 8. It also has 4 Weapon 4 (Hand Grenade) rounds.
Poland 353 has 6 Weapon 4 (Hand Grenade) rounds for 8 Crew.

M2/M2HB – Netherlands 188 & 189 have Size 1, standard for 1 gun is 0.
Turkey 374-376 have 6 crew for 2 guns, standard is 8. They also have 12 Weapon 4 (Hand Grenade) rounds.
USA 93, 94 & 227 have 3 Weapon 3 (Hand Grenade) rounds for 4 crew.

NSV – Russia 573 & 574 and Czech 214 have Crew 3, standard is 4. Czech unit also has 3 Weapon 3 (Hand Grenade) rounds.


Class 177 – Heavy MG Section

Switzerland 749 & 750 have FC & Rangefinder 0, standard is 1. They also have Size 0 (standard is 1), Crew 6 (standard is 8) and 4 Weapon 3 (Hand Grenade) rounds.

Type 54 – China 212 has Crew 6, standard is 8.

Type 77 – China 213 has Crew 6 % Speed 5, standard is 4/4.

Richard H

[Richard_H]

MG Part 3

Class 193 – MG Unit

Egypt 501 & 502 have Speed 4, standard for MMG is 5. They also have 4 Weapon 3 (Hand Grenade) rounds for 3 crew.

USA 771, USMC 431 & 432, Gulf 461 & 462, ARVN 518, Pakistan 587 & 588, Cambodia 418, Chad 489 & Lebanon 337 have Speed 6, standard is 5.

France 269, Denmark 305-307 and Sweden 218 & 219 are Weight 1, Cyprus 132 & 133 are 3, standard is 0.

France 269 has 6 Weapon 3 (Hand Grenade) rounds for 4 crew.

USA 771, E.Germany 209 and Cyprus 132 & 133 have FC & Rangefinder 0, standard is 1/1.

Ethiopia 201 & Eritrea 502 have Size 1, standard is 0. Other 4-man units also have Size 1, but these are AAMG, and presumably the mounting is larger.

Turkey 235 & 236 have RoF 3, France 270 & USA 771 have 8, standard is 9.

Denmark 305-307 again have a ‘man over’. However, Denmark 304 has a ‘man under’, ie a Crew of 7 where the standard is 8.

.30cal M1919 – Malaysia 89 has Speed 6, standard is 5.

FN-MAG – UK 185 & 186 and Malaysia 87 & 88 have Speed 6, standard is 5.

M2/M2HB – Italy 461 has Crew 2, standard is 4. It also has Size 1, standard is 0.

Maxim HMG – E.Germany 209 has Crew 3, standard is 4. It also has 3 Weapon 3 (Hand Grenade) rounds.

PKM/PKMS – Russia 571 has Crew 2, Mozambique 487 has 4, standard is 3. Russian unit also has 2 Weapon 3 (Hand Grenade) rounds.

SGM – Chad 487 has Speed 4, standard is 5.

Vickers HMG – UK 184 has Crew 7, standard is 6. May be a country thing, as GPMG sections are also 7 men.
Egypt 500 has 3 Weapon 3 (Hand Grenade) rounds for 4 crew.

Vz.37 – Norway 181 has Crew 6 (standard is 8) and Speed 4 (standard is 5). It also has 6 Weapon 4 (Hand Grenade) rounds.

zb.53 – Chile 576 has Crew 3, standard for a HMG is 4. It also has 3 Weapon 3 (Hand Grenade) rounds.


Class 194 – MG Section

France 272 & 273, Mujahadeen 106 and Cyprus 308 are Weight 1, standard is 0.

NVA 360 & 361 and Albania 379 are Size 1, standard is 0.

Eritrea 507 has Crew 8, standard is 4.

Greece 357, 358 & 670, Angola 375, Cambodia 408, Sudan 163, Malaysia 563, Zimbabwe 390, Tanzania 365 and Uganda 365 & 366 have Speed 6, standard is 5.
Sudan 166 & Zimbabwe 394 have Speed 5, standard is 4.
Sudan 161 has Speed 4, standard is 5.

France 272 & 273 have 4 Weapon 4 (Hand Grenade) rounds for 7 Crew.
Greece 360 & 361, Turkey 420-422 and Uruguay 480-482 have 6 Weapon 3 (Hand Grenade) rounds for 4 Crew.

Class 254 – MG Team

Denmark 281 has Weight 1, standard is 0.

Richard H

[Richard_H]

Mechanised Infantry.

Class 69 – Mechanised Infantry

Cyprus 190 & 191 overlap in time terms, but 1 has Crew 6, the other 10.
Indonesia 371 & 372, and 373 & 374, are similar, although with different numbers.

Poland 315, 320 & 324, Hungary 315, 319, 320 & 324, Green 375 and S.Africa 173 have 20 Weapon 3 (Hand Grenade) rounds for 8 Crew.
Japan 201 has 22 Weapon 3 (Hand Grenade) rounds for 8 Crew.
Iran 320 & 321 have 22 Weapon 3 (Hand Grenade) rounds for 10 Crew.
Iraq 475 & 476, NVA 334-337 have 20 Weapon 4 (Hand Grenade) rounds for 9 Crew.
Iraq 489 and Czech 315, 320 & 324 have 20 Weapon 3 (Hand Grenade) rounds for 9 Crew.
Czech 330, 333, 337 & 344 have 16 Weapon 3 (Hand Grenade) rounds for 9 Crew.
W.Germany 241 has 16 Weapon 3 (Hand Grenade) rounds for 6 Crew.
W.Germany 252 has 16 Weapon 3 (Hand Grenade) rounds for 7 Crew.
Thailand 130-132 have 18 Weapon 4 (Hand Grenade) rounds for 8 Crew.


Class 70 – Heavy Mechanised Infantry

Russia 887-890 have 24 Weapon 4 (Hand Grenade) rounds for 13 Crew.
W.Germany 230 has 18 Weapon 3 (Hand Grenade) rounds for 8 Crew.
W.Germany 231 has 12 Weapon 3 (Hand Grenade) rounds for 7 Crew.


Class 71 – Medium Mechanised Infantry

Czech 314, 321, 331, 338, 341, 347 & 349 have 10 Weapon 3 (Hand Grenade) rounds for 7 Crew.
Hungary 325 & Saudi 384 have 10 Weapon 3 (Hand Grenade) rounds for 9 Crew.


Class 72 – Light Mechanised Infantry

Poland has both 5-man and 9-man units available concurrently. The 9-man units (274 & 325) are template units, but are only available for part of the life of the formations (225 & 230).

Poland 274 is Size 0 for 9 Crew.

Poland 274 & 325 have 10 Weapon 3 (Hand Grenade) rounds for 9 Crew.
France 277 has 8 Weapon 4 (Hand Grenade) rounds for 5 Crew.
Denmark 427 has 20 Weapon 3 (Hand Grenade) rounds for 6 Crew.
Czech 348, 355, 356, 358 & 359 have 10 Weapon 3 (Hand Grenade) rounds for 7 Crew.
Saudi 365 has 10 Weapon 3 (Hand Grenade) rounds for 6 Crew.


Class 73 – Mechanised Support Squad

Russia 319-321 & 718 have 30 Weapon 4 (Hand Grenade) rounds for 8 Crew.

Richard H

[Richard_H]

Marines. It may be that different size units in the same timeframe belong to different formations, something I haven't investigated. However, given that none of the units involved has a X3 radio code, I would think that both AI and human players can select what they want for whichever formation they purchase.

Class 110 – Marines

USMC – From 1/58 to 12/67, there are 4 14-man squads and 2 13-man (706 & 760), neither of which is a template unit. From 1/90 to 12/109, there are 3 13-man squads and 2 11-man (374 & 719), neither of which is a template unit. From 1/93 to 12/109, Unit 711 has 13 men, 721 has 11. Neither is a template unit.

S.Yemen 440-442 have Speed 7, all others have 6.

China 747 has 20 Weapon 4 (Hand Grenade) rounds for 8 Crew.
S.Korea 350, 351 & 355 have 10 Weapon 4 (Hand Grenade) rounds for 12 Crew.
Green 405 & 406 have 11 Weapon 3 and 11 Weapon 4 (both Hand Grenade) rounds for 10 Crew.
Switzerland 926-929 have 24 Weapon 2 (Hand Grenade) rounds for 7 Crew.
Thailand 140 has 18 Weapon 4 (Hand Grenade) rounds for 11 Crew.
Thailand 141 & 142 have 18 Weapon 3 (Hand Grenade) rounds for 11 Crew.
El Salvador 405 has 11 Weapon 2 and 11 Weapon 3 (both Hand Grenade) rounds for 10 Crew.
El Salvador 406 has 11 Weapon 3 and 11 Weapon 4 (both Hand Grenade) rounds for 10 Crew.
El Salvador 407 has 22 Weapon 4 (Hand Grenade) rounds for 10 Crew.


Class 112 – Marine Light Infantry

Norway 285 & 652 represent different formations from 461-463, and are different sizes with overlapping dates.

USMC 784-795 & 810-821 have Size 1 and Crew 4.

ARVN 81-83 have Speed 7, all others have 6.

S.Korea 349, 354 & 358 have 10 Weapon 4 (Hand Grenade) rounds for 12 Crew.


Class 113 – Marine Support

ARVN 80 has Size 1 and Crew 3.

S.Korea 353 has Speed 0, and 10 Weapon 4 (Hand Grenade) rounds for 12 Crew.

Italy 408-411 have Speed 3 and 9 Crew, and overlap time-wise with 412-414, which have 4/10.


Class 240 – Marine Heavy Infantry

Poland 284 & 285 have Size 0 and 6 Crew.

China 345 has 20 Weapon 4 (Hand Grenade) rounds for 12 Crew. All other Chinese units have 10 Crew.

Richard H

[Richard_H]

I'm prepared for flak on that last one

Richard H

[Richard_H]

Militia classes.

Class 189 – Militia

Jordan 490-492 have Speed 5, standard is 6.

Red 99-104 are the only units with a Swim capability.

China 340-343 have RoF 8, others have 9.

Sudan 420-422 have 50 Weapon 1 rounds, ARVN 371 has 100, standard is 70 or 80.

China 340 has 10 Weapon 2 (Hand Grenade) rounds, and 12 Crew.
Iraq 760 & 761 have 20 Weapon 2 (Hand Grenade) rounds for crews of 8 & 6 respectively.
Sudan 420-422 have 5 Weapon 2 (Hand Grenade) rounds, and 5 crew.

Iraq 762 & 763 have 20 Weapon 3 (Hand Grenade) rounds for crews of 8 & 6 respectively.


Class 190 – Light Militia

Mozambique 117-124 have Size 0 for 5 Crew.

Iran 346 has 5 Weapon 2 (Hand Grenade) rounds, and 10 Crew.

Poland 870 & 871 have 20 Weapon 3 (Hand Grenade) rounds, and 11 Crew.
Bosnia 103 has 3 Weapon 3 (Hand Grenade) rounds and 6 Crew.


Class 191 – Heavy Militia

Eritrea 490 has Speed 7, all others have 6.


Class 192 – Militia Support

Mujahadeen 425-431 have Size 0 and 5 Crew.

Richard H

[Richard_H]

Mixed bag of infantry classes.

Class 75 – Irregulars

Mujahadeen 415-417 have Load Cost 25, standard (also for Dismounted Cavalry in other classes) is 0. They are also Size 2, for Crew 8, and have 20 Weapon 3 (415 & 417) or 4 (416, all Hand Grenades) rounds for 8 Crew.

UN 368 are Size 3, for Crew 12.

Afghan 345 has 6 Weapon 3 (Hand Grenade) rounds for 10 Crew.
Green 477 & Red 298 have 10 Weapon 2 (Hand Grenade) rounds, for 9 Crew.
Green 471, 473 & 476 and Red 292, 294 & 297 have 10 Weapon 3 (Hand Grenade) rounds for 9 Crew.


Class 76 - Partisans

Poland 887 & 888 have 20 Weapon 2 (Hand Grenade) rounds for 12 Crew.


Class 77 – Partisan Support

ARVN 578 have Speed 4. May be for the MMG in Weapon slot 2? In which case, the standard is 5. But with the mortar in slot 3? Interesting call.

Poland 889 has 20 Weapon 3 (Hand Grenade) rounds for 8 Crew.


Class 79 – Natives

ARVN 544 & 545 have Speed 7, 577 & 579 have 6.


Class 117 – Legionnaires

France 356 overlaps time-wise with 355, but has 5 Crew rather than 10. It is not a template unit.

Poland 879-881 have 20 Weapon 3 (Hand Grenade) rounds for 8 Crew.


Class 178 – Police

ARVN 74 has Crew 3, Size 1.
S.Africa 395 & 396 and UN 326-329 have Crew 4, Size 1.

Poland 878 & 884 have 20 Weapon 3 (Hand Grenade) rounds for 8 Crew.


Class 230 – Guerillas

Nicaragua 483-489 have Speed 7, all other Nicaraguan units of this class have 6.

Lebanon 490 has 10 Weapon 3 (Hand Grenade) rounds for 6 Crew.
Viet Cong 347-351, 353, 358 & 359 have 16 Weapon 2 (Hand Grenade) rounds for 9 Crew.
Viet Cong 352, 354-356 & 359 have 16 Weapon 3 (Hand Grenade) rounds for 9 Crew.


Class 231 – Light Guerillas

Iraq 769 has 8 Weapon 4 (Hand Grenade) rounds for 5 Crew.
Sudan 612 has 8 Weapon 3 (Hand Grenade) rounds for 5 Crew.

The next one might be a while - I've hit Class 1!

Richard H

[Suhiir]

Originally Posted by Richard_H

I’ve noticed that speeds for MMGs/GPMGs are either 5 (222 units) or 6 (40 units)...

From my "reading" of this it's not so much encumbrance as set-up time.
MMG's usually require you to set up a tripod, mount the weapon on it, load a belt of ammo, and perhaps attach a T&E (traverse and elevation mechanism).
Then again MG units can't move-an-fire... However a player can fire, move-a-hex (or two), and next turn it's ready to fire again at the so perhaps the combo of move speed and no fire-an-move is needed.

My 2 cents

[Suhiir]

Originally Posted by Richard_H

Class 110 – Marines

USMC – From 1/58 to 12/67, there are 4 14-man squads and 2 13-man (706 & 760), neither of which is a template unit. From 1/90 to 12/109, there are 3 13-man squads and 2 11-man (374 & 719), neither of which is a template unit. From 1/93 to 12/109, Unit 711 has 13 men, 721 has 11. Neither is a template unit.

This one I can speak on with a certain amount of authority...and perhaps help explain why some of the anomalies aren't.

In about 1958 the USA started swapping from the venerable M1 Garand to the M14 rifle.
In about 1962 the M79 40mm grenade launcher was adopted.
In about 1968 the M16 rifle was adopted by the USMC (the Army got it in 1965ish).
In about 1972 the M203 40mm grenade launcher was adopted.

The traditional USMC squad has been 13-man since the last part of WW II - BUT - the inclusion of the M79 ment they added a 14th man, the grenadier.

Rather then having:
1/58-12/61 13 man with M14's
1/62-12/67 14 man with M14's and M79 (actually valid till 1970)
1/68-12/71 14 man with M16's and M79
1/72-now 13 man with M16's and M203's

They simply combined the adoption of the M14, M79, and 14-man squad in 1958 and back to 13-man on 1968. Thus you have both 13 and 14-man squads during this period.

In 1993 they started using the MRAP (Mine Resistant Ambush Protected) trucks but they can only carry 11 passengers so an 11-man vice the normal 13-man squad was created to fit in these vehicles (for my OOB variant I just made the MRAP 13 passenger).

The reason none of these are template units is they're all a "standard" USMC Rifle Squad, so the 1/46 squad is the template for virtually every formation.

Originally Posted by Richard_H

Class 112 – Marine Light Infantry

USMC 784-795 & 810-821 have Size 1 and Crew 4.

This unit is used for the USMC Fire Team (3 per squad plus the squad leader = 13-men (+1 for 14 if they have an M79) rather then a crew or crew served weapon as is normally the case with 4-man units. Thus they are not given the defensive and other advantages of a size zero unit.