Should banned user mods/maps/etc be deleted from these boards?

[Fantomen]

Originally Posted by Gandalf Parker

That also creates an answer for me.
NO
At least I never have in the past. And Im fairly sure I wouldnt here. In fact, I find a subtle satisfaction in my posts and offers still creating thankyou's and comments on boards I can no longer answer on.

So you've been banned from several forums?

[Gandalf Parker]

Originally Posted by Fantomen

So you've been banned from several forums?

Of course! As often as its been called for here, you find that surprising? Ive been spanked and demoted on this forum more than anyone I know. Ive also been on Internet since its birth. I was bound to end up on forums whose policies tended more to match those who felt I should be banned from here. There are forums for everyone (and consequently, NOT for everyone). There are also forums, chats, newsgroups where I get to do the banning.

There is also the fact that the more forums someone is on that requires them to be a certain way (forums where you are moderator, or run by friends, or very useful but managed quite strictly, or like Shrapnel all of the above) the more need there is to be on forums where you do NOT feel like you have to be that way all the time. If you only have one forum, you tend to try and force it to be everything.

[Fantomen]

I don't find it surprising, I just wondered if that was what you meant.

On most forums where bans, warnings, censoring and the like are common practice I usually consider it a sh*tload of hypocrisy, this one being one of the weirdest. You can spread disinformation and be an arrogant slob with impunity, but not say f*ck or touch a touchy subject in a straightforward way. Makes me feel like I'm visiting my grandma or something.

I'm active on quite many forums, never been banned so far though. (that I do find a little surprising) FYI I don't think you should be banned, I've yet to see anyone here commit what would be a banning offense in my eyes. It's just that you manage to piss me the f*ck off all the time, and I'm not the kind of girl who keeps her mouth shut.

[Gandalf Parker]

Nahh thats about right for a corporate owned forum. I wouldnt have worded it that way but the sentiment is correct.

And you would probably have to be on the other side of the fence to have a feel for this, but most bans are considered to have volunteered for it. At least in the eyes of those who do the banning. Very few people ban from forums, or kick from chats, or nuke from worlds suddenly or on a whim. It usually involves a conversation where the bannee pulls the trigger themselves. Kindof like someone standing in front of a person that has a gun and saying "sure go ahead and shoot me". Of course, the bannee never sees things as having happened that way and you will never convince them of it. Thats just a common viewpoint of those who feel they were forced to ban someone.

Remember there are three sides to every situation.

[Fantomen]

Originally Posted by Gandalf Parker

Kindof like someone standing in front of a person that has a gun and saying "sure go ahead and shoot me".

Yes that's a good comparison, as any policeman taking "go ahead and shoot me!" for a valid reason to shoot should be fired on the spot.

[Scarmiglione]

Originally Posted by Soyweiser

Related to the thread, but not the current conversation:

http://z7.invisionfree.com/Dom3mods/...0&#entry141893

Regardless of the rest of the discussion, I just want to point out that this post removes any doubt that the banned user Sombre at least would like his material removed from this forum. I'm only saying this to counter those who say that no banned members have expressed a desire to have their work removed, since at least one of them certainly has...

There's the law, and there's the right thing to do. As we all know, the law barely applies on the internet, in practice, despite what many governments and corporations would like to claim. With the internet being a de facto lawless place, rules and regulations are much less important than not being a dick. If you ban a guy, but keep his work, you're being a dick.

Just my two cents, of course. I half suspect somebody will try to paint me as a sockpuppet of some banned veteran, which is laughable considering how bad at this game I am...

[Warhammer]

Right, but it would be very easy for someone to post the mods here. If his whole point is that he cannot maintain the mods, than that can be easily fixed by someone who frequents both boards. Or someone could post a link to the new forums with the updated mods.

[Scarmiglione]

well that's not exactly what I mean, Warhammer. All I'm saying is that it appears that sombre, for example, wants his mods removed from this forum, presumably to host them on his own forum, and it's a dick move to keep his work somewhere he doesn't want it. Of course, as you say, anybody could just download them from his forum and repost them here, but it would be common courtesy for the admins of this board to disallow such postings, perhaps maintain a "Do Not Post" list for removed files.

I don't think that his "whole point" is that he wants them removed because he can't maintain and update them here, I am under the impression that he doesn't want his mods here at all, updated or not. His reasons for wanting this are irrelevant I think.

sure, technically there's no rule that shrapnel has to do this, but it is simple common courtesy that his wishes should be respected in this matter.

As a side note, one reason I feel so strongly about this is that I have been involved in a somewhat similar situation in the past, on a much different forum (details are off topic and unnecessary, I think). I'm not a friend or minion of sombre's, although I do admire his work, and sympathize with his position.

I think what I'm suggesting is obviously the sensible and mature way to handle things, rather than focusing on spite and copyright and "rules lawyering". It doesn't matter which side is "right", just remove the guy's mods if that's what he wants...

[Scarmiglione]

emphasis mine:

Originally Posted by Gandalf Parker

Thats just a common viewpoint of those who feel they were forced to ban someone.

with respect, I feel sort of compelled to quibble with you over semantics, Gandalf. It is literally quite impossible to "force" sombody to do something over the internet, there is always choice involved. Nobody has ever been forced to do anything online in the history of the internet, with the possible exception of botnets and the like (lol). I've been (and am) a moderator myself on various forums, and I can tell you I've never been "forced" to ban somebody, I make the choice to ban somebody who has broken my interpretation of the rules, or, more likely, just pissed me off (which is honestly what all mods and admins do, not just me).

I know it seems like I'm a nitpicking jerk, but I feel in these sorts of situations it's important to use words precisely. Uncorrected semantics become propaganda if not remedied.

sorry for the double post, i would have edited this into my last post if I was allowed to do so

[DeadlyShoe]

@Scarmiglione - it's funny you mention spite - that would be the only reason to pull your own work from the board entirely.

It's also far above and beyond common courtesy to expect board moderators to be IP police for the content of a banned user! That's simply absurd. The most that could be expected is what's extended to any person, i.e. deletion of posts that claim fraudulent authorship.