Why am I not able to win the Orania Map ? - Page 7

Cainehill · #61 July 4th, 2006, 08:46 AM

Of course, with nations with solid PD ( Jotuns especially, but also Ulm & Abysia, etc ) there are some interesting ways to use high PD values. For example, when I've been positive someone was about to attack a particular province I had a good army in, I've cranked the PD up to a very high value (35-50) just as I'm expecting them to attack.

The PD then soaks up the bulk of the casualties for me (troops are all moved to the rear) while mages are buffing the troops with all the good things like body ethereal, legions of steel, mass regen, luck, etc. The enemy troops and mages get tired going after the PD, and then have to deal with the real forces. In theory, this results in very light casualties for the army, and the PD regenerates after the battle.

Daynarr · #62 July 4th, 2006, 08:57 AM

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Cainehill said:

Of course, with nations with solid PD ( Jotuns especially, but also Ulm & Abysia, etc ) there are some interesting ways to use high PD values. For example, when I've been positive someone was about to attack a particular province I had a good army in, I've cranked the PD up to a very high value (35-50) just as I'm expecting them to attack.

The PD then soaks up the bulk of the casualties for me (troops are all moved to the rear) while mages are buffing the troops with all the good things like body ethereal, legions of steel, mass regen, luck, etc. The enemy troops and mages get tired going after the PD, and then have to deal with the real forces. In theory, this results in very light casualties for the army, and the PD regenerates after the battle.

I use same tactic whenever possible. Actually I use it with nearly all nations as they can soak damage just as well. Those you mentioned are best for the job though.

BigJMoney · #63 July 5th, 2006, 02:10 PM

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Agrajag said:
Regarding PD, think about it this way, for each point you put in PD you get a unit that's worth... X gold (lets say 10), that means that if you got 11 PD you paid 11 gold for a unit worth 10 gold.

That is certainly interesting. Has anyone made a chart containing approximations of what the nattion-specific PD units are worth? I think something like this would be a useful reference for people who want to play a Nation for the first time.

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Ironhawk · #64 July 5th, 2006, 06:01 PM

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JimKnopf said:
Mystics vs. Astrologers

As you have seen, Mystics are good vs the AI becuase the AI just mobs all its troops together and sends them out. This makes excellent targets for thier large AOE spells like Falling Fires, etc.

But Astrologers have strong astral which is very powerful against single targets even at low levels (like Paralyze!). This is not so useful versus AI, but is incredibly powerful vs. humans who will use SCs against you. Also, some of the really high level astral spells are powerful, like Master Enslave. Doom and Will of the Fates are also great high level grief/buff spells.

shovah · #65 July 5th, 2006, 07:46 PM

true but one of the greatest anti SC's any one can employ is petrify, boosted/empowered mystics handle that well.

Saxon · #66 July 6th, 2006, 01:32 AM

If you are going after a SC, you generally need to worry about magic resistance. In cutting through magic resistance, that extra level of astral can sometimes make the difference. Also, the higher level of astral helps keep fatigue down, which is important if you are trying to cut through magic resistance through sheer volume of spells.

shovah · #67 July 6th, 2006, 02:23 AM

thats the thing, petrify kills if it isnt resisted and paralyzes even if it is resisted (so your vine ogre hordes can pummel the enemy)

Saxon · #68 July 7th, 2006, 01:45 AM

Ahh! Thanks for the tip, I will try that out. Hmm, I wonder if that is going to be nerfed in Dom III, as it seems too simple. Most very powerful things in Dom are a bit more complex.

Gandalf Parker · #69 July 7th, 2006, 06:06 PM

One of my favorite tactics involves PD. Using stealth armies of Pangaea I would take a province, crank the tax to the max, buy as much PD as I can and maybe recruit units if they are good, then fade my army back into the woods to move a few provinces off and do it again. By the time he kills the PD there he finds that they are too unhappy to allow building any units or tax.

I could tie up alot of his armies trying to stop me until he figures out to buy lots of PD. Its not really a winning strategy but its a very useful ally strategy.

JimKnopf · #70 July 18th, 2006, 05:21 PM

As the starter of this thread I have to thank you all. I was really frustrated with this game. I wasn�t able to win this map. But now I am able to do so.

Regarding the PD discussion: I think 10 should be the minimum. In border provinces I usually raise it to 25 (supported by mages) if my AI neighbour hates me and I�m not able to deal with him/her the way he/she deserves.