Jets & Planes but no UAV's here. - Page 60

Suhiir · #**591** December 17th, 2020, 02:44 AM

The current F-35 chart.
https://qph.fs.quoracdn.net/main-qim...385e758e38837e

The AGM-65 Maverick is not shown because it's being phased out. But it's replacement is not in the WinSPMBT OOBs so it's still used for game loadouts.

Also this chart is almost 3 years old and NAVAIR has certified weapons not on the chart for use on the F-35 since then.

DRG · #**592** December 17th, 2020, 09:55 AM

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Originally Posted by Suhiir

The AGM-65 Maverick is not shown because it's being phased out. But it's replacement is not in the WinSPMBT OOBs so it's still used for game loadouts.

https://www.defenseindustrydaily.com...issiles-05397/

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Raytheon is restarting its production line to produce AGM-65E2/L laser-guided Maverick missiles, and will also upgrade existing stocks, in response to demand from the front lines.

That's dated Aug 20, 2019 and the weapon in the USA OOB is 217 (which now matches the data of W194 in the USMC OOB )

Suhiir · #**593** December 17th, 2020, 01:16 PM

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Originally Posted by DRG

I stand corrected ... as of the time the weapons load layout was published (2018) it was due to be phased out.
Things change.

Karagin · #**594** December 17th, 2020, 02:22 PM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8HjA...ature=emb_logo

Seems SAAB wants to build the Gripen in Canada, now I am not sure if that means some of the production will go to the Canadians or not, but that is normally how these deals work out.

DRG · #**595** December 17th, 2020, 02:36 PM

The Gripen would be nice but my guess is they will put this off and upgrade the Hornets we have or go with the Super Hornet. The one engine vs two issue has been and is an important consideration here no matter how reliable the one engine is....it's still only one engine.

FASTBOAT TOUGH · #**596** December 18th, 2020, 03:42 AM

The GRIPEN E/F would be a generational step up over the SUPER HORNET E/F in regards to stealth capabilities. It also would be cheaper to operate and to logistically to support and is considered one of the most overall reliable fighters in the world.

But as Don mentioned, there is that decades old issue of 1 versus 2 engines and the HORNET can carry a larger payload.

What SAAB is offering Canada, is exactly what they offered Brazil-jobs, limited technical transfer of data and a production facility in Brazil to build their but, to also assist in production to other foreign powers that but or need their existing GRIPENs to be maintained.
https://www.janes.com/defence-news/n...tion-in-brazil
https://www.key.aero/article/gripen-...-begins-brazil
https://www.saab.com/newsroom/storie...cone-to-brazil

Canada...
https://www.fliegerfaust.com/militar...644025181.html

About the plane...
Brazil flew it's first GRIPEN E/Designated F-39 GRIPEN E on 24 SEP. 2020. This plane was built by SAAB and shipped in from SWEDEN.
https://theaviationist.com/2020/09/2...ime-in-brazil/

Info...
https://airplanesdaily.com/saab-gripen-e-boxer-jet/
https://nationalinterest.org/blog/bu...ter-jet-140727

Regards,
Pat

DRG · #**597** December 18th, 2020, 08:36 AM

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Originally Posted by FASTBOAT TOUGH

But as Don mentioned, there is that decades old issue of 1 versus 2 engines and the HORNET can carry a larger payload.

It's a huge issue but the jobs that might be created given the economic downturn due to the response to Covid *might* ( maybe..) tip the balance but personally.....I still think the argument against in the political and military back rooms will be the single-engine.

We have a LOT of "middle of nowhere" to theoretically patrol ( more than most nations' entire area ) and losing one engine when you have two gets you back to base but not when you only have one to start with. What one engine gets you is a search and rescue operation and a crash investigation ( ...in a remote area ) and that attitude is deeply ingrained

Karagin · #**598** December 18th, 2020, 11:30 AM

Seems Britain is looking to replace their Tornados and such with the new Tempest.

https://www.businessinsider.com/brit...insider-mildef

Imp · #**599** December 18th, 2020, 07:32 PM

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The GRIPEN E/F would be a generational step up over the SUPER HORNET E/F in regards to stealth capabilities. It also would be cheaper to operate and to logistically to support and is considered one of the most overall reliable fighters in the world.

But as Don mentioned, there is that decades old issue of 1 versus 2 engines and the HORNET can carry a larger payload.

For most countries I think its the best option as they don't have the budget & its cheap to buy & operate. Means they might be able to fly them & maintain operational readiness.

Regarding extra stealth capabilities (excluding F-22) are they much use unless you are attacking or the enemy is low tech?
Stealthy from the front is not much use on a patrol because your presenting other facings.
My thought in this day & age every patrol is a data gathering exercise for the enemy eventually they will have a software update to track it once it turns head on as they will know what they are looking for.

Suhiir · #**600** December 20th, 2020, 05:39 PM

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Originally Posted by DRG

What one engine gets you is a search and rescue operation and a crash investigation ( ...in a remote area ) and that attitude is deeply ingrained

The same reason the US Navy and USMC are fond of two engine aircraft. REALLY hard to swim 500km back to your carrier.

However, modern jet engines are pretty reliable so that's not as big an issue as it use to be.