OT - Good sci fi TV shows? - Page 6

Baron Munchausen · #51 February 16th, 2003, 03:03 AM

Someone asked 'why' Babylon 5: Crusade was cancelled. I didn't realize that such a scandal could go unnoticed by any fan with net access, but I guess not everyone seeks out the websites and newsGroups for their favorite SciFi. The short answer is 'network stupidity' as with most SciFi shows. But the details are as bizarre as anything else already brought up here. Here's why it was cancelled:

AICN story about the infamous TNT memo: http://www.aint-it-cool-news.com/display.cgi?id=2060

JMS first comment on the TNT memo: http://www.midwinter.com/lurk/guide/113.html#JS.memo1

JMS second comment on the TNT memo: http://www.midwinter.com/lurk/guide/113.html#JS.memo2

They backed down for a while, but several months later it was cancelled anyway. Not enough sex and violence. Just another ton of **** to throw on your already gargantuan compost pile of network contempt.

[ February 16, 2003, 01:07: Message edited by: Baron Munchausen ]

Grandpa Kim · #52 February 16th, 2003, 03:54 AM

From the Baron:

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Just another ton of **** to throw on your already gargantuan compost pile of network contempt.

My compost pile is now a singularity.

Desdinova · #53 February 16th, 2003, 04:29 AM

slightly ot: i just watched sttng's "all good things...". i really hate series finalies, its depressing to know that was THE Last episode. thanks to them putting out everything on dvd i get to experience this again and again and again as i watch the finalies of other series. Dr. Who (with each new regeneration), DS9, Babylon 5, voyager, space 1999, red dwarf, the prisoner, stargate sg1, cowboy bebop, etc.....

Desdinova · #54 February 16th, 2003, 04:47 AM

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Originally posted by Omega_Prime:
It was the X-Men in space! One "special person" is enough for good scifi.
Most of today's interplanetary scifi goes that route. A crew of SuperBeings in space, with super toys, and a mysterious member "from parts unknown".

if the show is about 1 main character i would agree with you.
but in the case of a series that has multiple characters then each one should have its own unique ability. thats what makes a good pc (for those of you who are to young to remember the old pen and paper rpg days that stands for player character not personal computer or politcally correct

). there does need to be good interaction among the characters otherwise it really gets......not quite sure how to put it other than from a gaming point of view...extremely boring watching one character constantly saving the day, thus making the other characters unnecessary. example is despite shatners acting the chemistry between kirk, spock and mccoy was very good. also the characters need to grow or be replaced...in sttng councilor troy could have been replaced as she never went anywhere development wise.

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Originally posted by Omega_Prime:
Not so with SG1. It is people that bleed, love, and laugh. The closest they have to a cliche is Te'alk. (That one special person)

guess i just feel contrary right now but each character on sg1 has his or her little ability.
Jack- ok so nothing special about jack.
Samantha - has the remains of a Tokra in her head and can use G'ould technology
Daniel - can read many Languages long thought dead and decipher alien Languages rather quickly.
T'ealc - has a larval G'ould in him.
new guy that replaced daniel - another alien.

[ February 16, 2003, 03:20: Message edited by: desdinova ]

Taz-in-Space · #55 February 16th, 2003, 06:36 AM

Just for the heck of it - a few quick questions:

In B5: Did the series ever explain where the hidden base (on the planet near B5) came from?

Wasn't Vorlon or Minbari or Earth obviously.

In Stargate SG1: Why was the Daniel character written out? Real-life contract problems or what?

Looks like they are giving pretty much the same 'powers' to the new guy.

In Andromeda: can anybody explain how in one show the Andromeda ship can be damaged by a half-dozen ships and in another show can survive onslaughts of say 10,000 ships from another dimension?

Baron Munchausen · #56 February 16th, 2003, 07:03 AM

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Originally posted by Taz-in-Space:
Just for the heck of it - a few quick questions:

In B5: Did the series ever explain where the hidden base (on the planet near B5) came from?

Wasn't Vorlon or Minbari or Earth obviously.

In Stargate SG1: Why was the Daniel character written out? Real-life contract problems or what?

Looks like they are giving pretty much the same 'powers' to the new guy.

In Andromeda: can anybody explain how in one show the Andromeda ship can be damaged by a half-dozen ships and in another show can survive onslaughts of say 10,000 ships from another dimension?

No, they never explained where the Great Machine came from. How is it 'obvious' that it was not a Minbari or Human construction? It's compatible with human and minbari telepaths, after all. B4 was sent through time, remember. Who's to say that humans from the future didn't create the Great machine?

They also never explained what the 'exchange of souls' between the two races was about and lots of other things...

Stargate - don't follow it, can't say.

Andromeda was created by the same guy that created STAR TREK. Have you ever noticed anything resembling continuity in STAR TREK? 'nuff said.

Graeme Dice · #57 February 16th, 2003, 08:17 AM

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Originally posted by Baron Munchausen:
No, they never explained where the Great Machine came from. How is it 'obvious' that it was not a Minbari or Human construction? It's compatible with human and minbari telepaths, after all. B4 was sent through time, remember. Who's to say that humans from the future didn't create the Great machine?

I thought that one of the Zathras' sent itself back in time using the great machine so that it could build the great machine.

Krsqk · #58 February 16th, 2003, 09:24 PM

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In Andromeda: can anybody explain how in one show the Andromeda ship can be damaged by a half-dozen ships and in another show can survive onslaughts of say 10,000 ships from another dimension?

You're assuming the other dimension is higher than ours is. Maybe they were only second dimensional beings.

Desdinova · #59 February 17th, 2003, 12:52 AM

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Originally posted by Baron Munchausen:
They also never explained what the 'exchange of souls' between the two races was about.

they never diretly explained it but they did give several hints. commander sinclair went back in time with B4 and was changed into a membari using the triluminary and became known as valen. they used the triluminary on sinclair at the battle of the line, and it glowed thus the membari thought that human had somehow gained membari souls. also dalenn used the triluminary to changed herself, it was also rumored that she is a decendant of valen/commander sinclair. the triluminary also glowed when it was put near her.

tesco samoa · #60 February 17th, 2003, 05:33 AM

I most likely will get trolled here... but i find most scifi shows suck....

The 44 minute show just does not work in the SCI FI world.

I dream of the day when their is a scifi show where they go... Hey we only have a core following... lets make a complicated story that the average joe will not understand throw in some really good plot twists... and not worry about the tokin 30 second ship shot ( the money shot for sci-fi shows think voyager ... ) and have a story that takes its time to unravel ( Now we do not have solve every thing... Some times a Laural Palmer is worth including in a show )... Oh well one day...

Their have been some really good ideas in tv the past two years ( 24 , Boom Town, The ITV mini about the world coming to an end .. cannot remember what it was called ) But you know it is sad when the current crop of SCI-FI shows make Dr. WHo look like Lord of the Rings on steriods....

And enough with morality.... Voyager was horrible for that .... if i wanted to see law and order i would watch it....

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