Off Forum - Lord of the Rings

[Mephisto]

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Originally posted by jaolhe:
Written by MegaTrain:
You had vey good points in your review. I hated the Uruk-hai thing though. It wasn't included in the books nowhere near in the way it was presented in the movie. My opinion is that the whole super-orc thing was meant for stupid and illiterate people who just wanted to have some badass guy to whack head of in the end of the first movie.

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Uh, well, it was in the books. :-)

[zen.]

That was one of my bud's problems with the movie. He was upset that Glorfindel, 'one badass elf', as he described him, wasn't in the movie. Maybe it's a good thing I don't know any better.

zen

[MegaTrain]

jaolhe - I guess you're right. I'll have to look back at the first book to see why I thought Glorfindel was Elrond's son. If I remember right, it was a phrase something like "Glorfindel of the House of Elrond."

Although Glorfindel did mention that Frodo's wound was "beyond my powers of healing", and that the Master of the House of Elrond would have healing powers far greater. I know that healing powers may not be the same as other power, but it seems therefore to me that Elrond was greater, at least in this respect, than Glorfindel.

And they certainly didn't play up the Uruk-Hai
"creation" in the book, but I do remember some discussion about Saruman combining orcs and men so they could run during the day, and the differences between the two Groups of orcs (Saruman's Uruk-hai with the white hand, and the orcs from Mordor) who were hauling away Merry and Pippin.

[AJC]

Elrond is a half elf, Son of Earendil and Elwing. He is the keeper of the Ring of Air, one of the three elven rings that Sauron desires.

Although there were significant differences to the books - I feel they did a excellent job bringing middle earth to life.
Great movie and I feel it definately represented the LOTR well.

I plan on seeing it again this weekend - I will have to watch for the rubber frodo riding with Arwen, and the car...

Aragorn and Arwen
In the Appendix of my copy of the LOTR is a section on Arwen and Aragorn and their lives together before the War of the ring and after the elves depart the grey havens. Aragron Met Arwen when he was 20 as he was wandering in the forest after he found out that he was Isildur's heir. He fell in love with her at first sight.
Elrond refused to let Arwen marry Aragorn until he ruled Gondor. So Aragorn became a ranger for many years.
Once Aragorn takes the throne of Gondor, Arwen and Aragorn marry. Aragorn dies at the age of 60. Arwen lives for many years in Lorien, alone, until she decides give up her life.

Arwen never gives up her immortality as the movie suggests, she instead chose to live with mortals and not leave middle earth.

[Fyron]

From The Fellowship of the Ring:

"This is Glorfindel, who dwells in the house of Elrond."

And from the glossary in The Silmarillion:

"Glorfindel: Elf of Gondolin, who fell to his death in Cirith Thoronath in combat with a Balrog after the escape from the sack of the city."

The Tolkien Companion, by J.E.A. Tyler, states:

"During the Third Age [of the Sun] few remained of the mighty Noldor who had returned to Middle-earth in Exile during the Elder Days. Of these, one of the noblest was Glorfindel, of the House of Finarpihr, 'an elf of a house of princes,' leader of the Host of Rivendell and one of Elrond's chief counsellors."

Apparently, the ancient elf-lord Glorfindel died, but he didn't die. Very interesting.

[Will]

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Originally posted by AJC:
Aragorn dies at the age of 60. Arwen lives for many years in Lorien, alone, until she decides give up her life.

Arwen never gives up her immortality as the movie suggests, she instead chose to live with mortals and not leave middle earth.

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I'm going to have to disagree with this part

From Appendix B in Return of the King:
"2931 Aragorn son of Arathorn II born on March 1st."
Gandalf comes to Hobbiton for Bilbo's birthday in 3018, making Aragorn 87 at the time, and looking very well for a dead man
Then, this entry is using dates of the Shire Reckoning, which is 1600 years less than the same year in the Third Age:
"1541 In this year on March 1st came at Last the passing of King Elessar... *More concerning the departure of the rest of the Fellowship*"
1541 + 1600 = 3141 T.A., or 140 Fourth Age.
Thus, Aragorn (King Elessar) died at the age of 210.

As for Arwen, I can't find the exact spot, but I am certain that she, like others decended from Elrond Half-elf, can choose between an immortal life and a mortal life, and that she did choose a mortal life in wedding Aragorn.

Ok, nevermind, I have found it... Appendix A, Section I, sub-section v, "Here Follows a Part of the Tale of Aragorn and Arwen":
"But Arwen became as a mortal woman, and yet it was not her lot to die until all that she had gained was lost."
Also here, it says she was married to Aragorn six score years before he died (120 years). He 'chose' to die, as he could decide when it was time (doesn't say how). So he died, and Arwen left for Lorien, and later died there.

[Fyron]

Technically, Aragon and Arwen are cousins or something like that. Aragorn is a descendant of the Kings of Numenor. The first King of Numenor was Elros, who was Elrond's brother. Elros chose the mortal life. He was granted a long life for a human because of his elven ancestry, which is mainly what made the Numenorians powerful. So, I don't know what the exact relation would be, but Arwen and Aragorn are distantly related. Maybe it would be cousin, but I don't know exactly because there are about 40 generations in between.

[ 13 January 2002: Message edited by: Imperator Fyron ]

[AJC]

I saw the movie again this weekend - I found it even better the second time around - this time I could pay attention to the sets , costumes and all the other things in the background...

Now... how do we convince peter jackson to not make us wait an entire year? argh.

[tesco samoa]

Saw the movie again on the weekend and saw a trailer for the second movie.

WOw. is all I am going to say...


And I enjoyed the trailer for Spiderman.

I just wish they would throw in some of that classic music for the cartoon I grew up watching ( Rocket Robin hood would make a good trailer for it)

[Growltigga]

for what it is worth, a computer tech friend of mine showed me a 3 minute battle scene extract from the second movie (Helm's Deep I think it was)

All I can say is "Lordy - you ain't seen nothing yet"