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[narf poit chez BOOM]

show me the hard data.

[oleg]

There is no such thing as telekinesis.

Science would be impossible since results of experiments will depend on experimentator mind.

Do you think people did't look very hard on the measuring devises when another brilliant theory goes bust ?

Some experiments are done with extreme accuracy and regardless of the obserever, results are the same.

[QuarianRex]

Originally posted by Imperator Fyron:
Where did adolescent fantasies come into this? That is fairly insulting.

It wasn't meant to be an insult. That was not my intention at all. I was just trying to point out that most peoples conecptions of such things are, whether we want to admit it or not, based mostly on what we absorbed from comics and cartoons while growing up. When looking at strangeness in the real world we often hold it up to the benckmark of out disappointed adolescent fantasy and, obviously, find it lacking. This makes it easy to dismiss things out of hand. The actual phenomena are usually quite disappointing. Things like telekinesis are usually completely uncontrolled, and therefore exceedingly difficult to use in an experimental setting. Even when it does occur it is usually uninspiring ("Oh, look. That book just fell off the coffee table... Yippee!!!").

Originally posted by narf poit chez BOOM:
show me the hard data.

I didn't say that I had the hard data, only that I have seen the hard data. I have my notes from the course and such but I do not have copies of the research. I did, however, see the results of much of the research and am aware of some of the theories based (at least in part) on that research. Some of my profs theory is that "psi" phenomena are electromagnetic in nature (or at least manifest that was) and are strongly affected by the earths geomagnetic field (GMF). So much so that during times of GMF flux (such as during a solar flare) the occurrence of psi phenomena plummet. Conversly, the occurrence of hauntings (also a GMF phenomena) skyrockets. Looking at records of "psychic" type incidents going back @100 years seems to hold this theory up.

Anyway, enough typing for now.

EDIT: spelling

[ September 17, 2003, 22:18: Message edited by: QuarianRex ]

[Narrew]

Originally posted by narf poit chez BOOM:
show me the hard data.

I got some hard data for ya When I was younger, a few years ago, was my late 30s I wondered how come when I saw a hott woman OR there was a stiff breeze my pants tightened up, I really THOUGHT that was Telekinesis, then I was asked to take a poll for Trekkie Nerds *sigh*, I am so confused

ohh, sorry, welll not really, I just couldnt help myself

[oleg]

Originally posted by QuarianRex:
... I did, however, see the results of much of the research and am aware of some of the theories based (at least in part) on that research. Some of my profs theory is that "psi" phenomena are electromagnetic in nature (or at least manifest that was) and are strongly affected by the earths geomagnetic field (GMF). So much so that during times of GMF flux (such as during a solar flare) the occurrence of psi phenomena plummet. Conversly, the occurrence of hauntings (also a GMF phenomena) skyrockets. Looking at records of "psychic" type incidents going back @100 years seems to hold this theory up.

Anyway, enough typing for now.

EDIT: spelling

Please, spare me this nonsense. I work daily with magnetic fields 100000 stronger (750MHZ 1H Larmor frequency) then GMF, even at highset solar flare impacts and 100% sure all those results are utter and complete rubbish.

[Atrocities]

I once saw a tv show where they actually studyied Star Trek Nerd, or Trekkies as they wanted to be called. You know the type, the people who dress up in starfleet or klingon uniforms and go around conventions calling each other Lieutenant or Captain Klawwwwww or something even worse.

They profiled over 2,000 of them and this is what they discovered. (As close as I can recall it)

"A normal average Trekkier is morbidly obease male of an average age of 30, poor hygine skills, low self astem, poor vision - requiring glasses, no significant other - most are still virigns, who reside at either their mothers home, or a dorm at a local college.

Most are incredibly intelligent, but lack people skills and are often sufforing from some mental disorder that limits their grasp of reality."

The show went on to show a bunch of people doing things that most of us would NEVER get cought doing. Did you know there are people out there that have learned to speak Klingon as if it was a real language and not just made up for the movies?

Hey I like the ships, thats all, ok the weapons too, but I would NEVER IN A MILLION YEARS EVER dress up in a costum, out side of a party, and go out in public.

I just like the weapons and ships. Thats all.

[ September 17, 2003, 12:16: Message edited by: Atrocities ]

[oleg]

Originally posted by Atrocities:
... Did you know there are people out there that have learned to speak Klingon as if it was a real language and not just made up for the movies?

...

But was't it wonderful when Dr.Frasier spoke Klingon at bar mitzvah ?

[QuarianRex]

Originally posted by oleg:
Please, spare me this nonsense. I work daily with magnetic fields 100000 stronger (750MHZ 1H Larmor frequency) then GMF, even at highset solar flare impacts and 100% sure all those results are utter and complete rubbish.

Please don't discount something as rubish without seeing the evidence. And I never said that the intensity of the field was the determining factor. It seems to be the flux that has the disruptive/enhancement effect, not necessarily the intensity of the GMF. Solar flares and such are just what have the most impact. Also note that it is usually the pattern of the signal, not the intensity, that can cause the most change. For instance, using cellphones, theoretically, have a greater chance of causing cancer than living near powerlines. The powerlines may be much more intense but that is essentially white noise, easily ignored/adjusted to by the body. Cellphones, on the other hand, send out structured signals that, if encountering the right cell at the wrong time, could 'tell' it to start replicating like a madman (a.k.a. cancer).

[QuarianRex]

Oleg:

Where do you work by the way?

[narf poit chez BOOM]

so, would lifting a frog with a magnetic field be possible? would it kill the frog?

if we establish a baseline for the power needed for a relativily telekinitec feat...if the pro people want, we can use a pencil as the baseline. knocking a book of the shelf doesn't take a lot of energy.

and this has nothing to do with my adolesent fantasy's.