OT - Scientific proof that there is no afterlife!

[geoschmo]

Originally posted by Will:
I think we all need to face the facts here... Fyron is really a rather sophisticated Eliza program that was unleashed on an unsuspecting internet. Which is why threads he gets involved in never end unless they are shut down or everyone else stops posting

This is a fascinating hypothesis, and one that would explain a lot actually.

But it raises an interesting question. If Fyron exsists only as a computer program, does Fyron have mass?

[dogscoff]

If Fyron exsists only as a computer program, does Fyron have mass

Only if he's catholic.

[Loser]

Originally posted by dogscoff:
Only if he's catholic.

My guess would be no. If we're going to do a pool, I call dibs on the intersection of the Non-Practicing column with the Unitarian row. Oh yeah and Perl, definitely Perl.

[edit: post 666... for whatever that's worth.]

[ August 18, 2003, 15:16: Message edited by: Loser ]

[geoschmo]

Actually, kidding of Fyron aside, the idea of a computer program is an interesting perspective on the whole "Does a soul have mass" question. I don't think a computer program could be defined as having mass while it's stored in memory. The silicon chip or magnetic tape has the same mass and number of electrons regardless. It's just that the little bits are in different positions depending on if they are ones or zeros.

I suppose the real question though is whether the soul has mass outside of the body though. Heaven and hell could be massive storage banks, the same as a human body but larger, that don't actually change their mass when souls enter or leave. Just rearange some bits to represent the loading and unloading of the soul/program.

But that brings up other questions.

How does the soul get from the body to the eternal storage archive? Is it like radio waves? Do radio waves have mass?

Can the number of souls exceeds the storage capacity of either heavan or hell? And if so, what happens to the overflow?

Can souls be zip compressed?

Can you repartition heavan?

Should I take the red pill, or the blue one.

[ August 18, 2003, 15:04: Message edited by: geoschmo ]

[Loser]

Originally posted by geoschmo:
Do radio waves have mass?

I know this one.

Yes.

Originally posted by geoschmo:
Should I take the red pill, or the blue one.

I know this one too.

Both. The Red Pill is meant to be ground up and dissolved in Absinthe, drink chilled, with sugar added to taste. The Blue Pill is to be gound up as well, but cut with twice it's mass in baby formula and ingested as a 'rail'.

Now, don't ask about the Green Pill. While you may not like the answer, it would fit with the humor found in the Cantina

[ August 18, 2003, 15:15: Message edited by: Loser ]

[geoschmo]

Originally posted by Loser:

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Originally posted by geoschmo:
Do radio waves have mass?

I know this one.

Yes.

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I will accept this one without need for explanation. However, it still leaves open the question of whether the soul itself has mass. If the soul is merely information, in the same way that computer code is information, then a case could be made that the soul has no mass. If it can be stored without changing the mass of the storage device.

Even exsisting for a short time in the form of radio waves the information itself does not have mass. The mass of radio waves is not created at the begining of the transmission, and is not destroyed at the end. It's simply the transmission medium used to transfer the data.

Who owns the intellectual property rights to my soul? Can an in individual be copyrighted?

[ August 18, 2003, 15:27: Message edited by: geoschmo ]

[Suicide Junkie]

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What is the exact value of the mass of a given photon?
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The exact value is unknown. I can not give you an exact value.

I can!
The energy of a photon is E= hf (planck constant times frequency)

E= MC^2, so M = E/C^2 so M = hf/C^2

For a 650nm photon from your red laser pointer there, it weighs: = 6.6e-34 x (C/6.5e-7) / C^2
= 3.4 x 10^-33 grams
Which equals zero to an accuracy of 1 part in a quadrillion quadrillions. Or a European "Million Trillion"

The silicon chip or magnetic tape has the same mass and number of electrons regardless. It's just that the little bits are in different positions depending on if they are ones or zeros.

Position is important, though. Take Uranium 235, for example. Now take roughly half the nucleons aside .
You have the same particles sitting around, but less mass and more energy than you know what to do with.

[ August 18, 2003, 16:03: Message edited by: Suicide Junkie ]

[Tigbit]

Originally posted by General Woundwort:

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Originally posted by Tigbit:
Unfortunately that's exactly the way history is. Even science is not totally immune to the deliberate inacuracies that plague historical study. People will only write what supports their view.

This doesn't explain why people change their minds...

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You'll have to elaborate.

[General Woundwort]

[quote]Originally posted by Tigbit:

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Originally posted by General Woundwort:

This doesn't explain why people change their minds...

You'll have to elaborate.

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If people only write what supports their views, how do you account for people critiquing their views - or even changing them? The implication seemed to be that people have their minds made up and are not interested in actual discussion and debate - where you run the risk of having your ideas proved wrong.

[Tigbit]

Originally posted by Suicide Junkie:
[QB]

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What is the exact value of the mass of a given photon?
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The exact value is unknown. I can not give you an exact value.

I can![QB]

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While the rest of the scientific community argues the point get that paper typed up and submitted.