The Artifacts Game - [ HOLY S**T MICAH WON!! ] - Page 58

WraithLord · #**571** January 9th, 2009, 02:00 AM

archaeolept, are you sure about Micha's stale?

Well, I'm at war with Ashdod and the knowledge of my moves from turn 69 could be used against me. Rolling back will thus have a negative impact on me. I'm not sure whether it equals the impact of a stale turn for Micah. It depends on the end result.

And having to replay turn 68 is really annoying.

QM, can you please post in the game thread in case something like this happens next time so that we players could have a say about it?

quantum_mechani · #**572** January 9th, 2009, 02:15 AM

I knew there would be strong opposition to a rollback (I had even forgot it was an option until I was reminded) but since I had said I was going to extend it, it did not seem like I had an alternative.

In theory though, pre-known moves should not help anyone in particular since anyone can second guess. That said I understand how frustrating it is- personally I don't plan to peek at the fake turn 69.

archaeolept · #**573** January 9th, 2009, 02:23 AM

wraithlord, you're at war w/ Gath. G A T H.

The easiest way is just to load up your previously sent turn, and just mess around with it a little so you can't be completely predicted. It does mess up any cool surprise attacks you may have made, though

Lingchih · #**574** January 9th, 2009, 02:54 AM

A rollback, eh? Without a vote.

Heh. So much for democracy.

I lodge a formal protest (and, I have no idea what good that will do.)

Micah · #**575** January 9th, 2009, 03:00 AM

Yes, I staled because QM told me there would be a delay, and I believe that it's a lot more fair for people to have their offensive orders revealed (since they can then at least play the second-guessing game with them, and they get some minimal scouting information from them as well) than to have an entire turn gone, which locks out offensive orders, defensive orders, forging, rituals, research tweaking, and recruitment. I'm pretty certain that the rollback is the lesser of two evils by far (And I'm pretty sure that Utgard's army was left alone because Gath is coming after me after I killed 3 of his SCs off last turn, so I'd really like to get to have orders.)

Lingchih · #**576** January 9th, 2009, 03:06 AM

I'm sorry QM, Micah. But this really makes me mad. Any rollback should be only enacted after the concurrence of all the players, by vote. A majority vote would win.

This was not even attempted.

Lingchih · #**577** January 9th, 2009, 04:07 AM

No replies? Then, very well. We are attacking Utgard with all out might this turn.

It does not matter who, if any, takes over Utgard.

If you guys had just avoided a rollback, this would not have had to occur.

Micah · #**578** January 9th, 2009, 04:18 AM

The admin is supposed to preserve the game's fairness, and I believe QM acted in the best interest of the game as a whole, in addition to the interest of the staling players, as having 4 of 9 players stale is very detrimental to the ongoing stability of the game.

QM has been doing a good job adminning this game for months now, IMO, and this is the first I've heard of anyone taking issue with his actions. I do not believe a vote is either needed or desirable in this situation, and that he handled things correctly. Did he screw up by not setting the host timer back? Yes. A mistake was made, and then he did his best to correct it, using the powers we have cheerfully let him have for the past 4 months while he did a perfect job of it, taking his own time to make sure that everyone was able to get extensions when needed and doing all of the other niggling crap that the rest of us are lucky enough to not have to think about.

If you seriously think he has abused his position I suppose you could vote to replace him as admin if you think someone else would do a better job. I know what my vote would be though.

WraithLord · #**579** January 9th, 2009, 05:16 AM

No one doubts QM acted in the best interest of the game as a whole nor the good work he's done so far in admining the game.
However that doesn't mean that a significant step such as rollback can/should be done w/o at least informing the players.

Why do you say four players staled?- Who else has staled?

It seems like little by little the picture is getting clearer which is the exact reverse of how the process should be.

Anyway, if so many players staled then I agree to rollback, but then again no one asked me in the first place

No hard feelings here. What's done is done and over with. Lets get the game going again

Micah · #**580** January 9th, 2009, 05:40 AM

Mari, Ulm and I all staled outright, and Utgard had a blank turn unless I'm mistaken.