Communions

[MaxWilson]

Really? I've never tested, but I would expect reinvigorate to affect all the slaves in the communion, resetting them all to 0. I actually think it would be entertaining to watch a Helheim linebacker communion in action. Supposing a Hangadrott master and 4-5 slaves, you could have:

1. Sabbath Master
2. Divine Bless (E9N4W4?)
3. Mistform
4. Blood Vengeance
5. Soul Vortex or Reinvigoration
6. Charge!

Cost: 5 blood slaves. If you have an E1B1 Hangadrott you could throw Ironskin in there.

Hmmm, I should go play Helheim some more. Maybe after Gath.

-Max

[JimMorrison]

Originally Posted by MaxWilson

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3. Mistform
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5. Soul Vortex or Reinvigoration
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Soul Vortex hits friendlies - and removes Mistform.

[MaxWilson]

Might not be a problem if you spread them out, especially given Helheim's good MR, but okay, maybe Reinvigoration is best.

On the plus side: everybody in this communion is Cloud Trapeze-capable, so you can drop them anywhere on short notice.

On the minus side: it's very gold-expensive. Approx 1500 gold for this one group, which makes it a bit too expensive for raiding PD, and the force isn't optimized for taking out SCs or thugs without forged equipment. In practice it probably wouldn't be worth doing unless you have a big Gandalf-sized empire that's having trouble moving Helhirdings to the front.

Or else, hmm, maybe if your opponent has lots of good single-target anti-SC spells--you can drop 20 inst-thugs on him for the cost of only a blood slave each and/or any air gems using in Cloud Trapeze. Taking out an SC with Disintegrate only requires one lucky roll; taking out a linebacker communion with 20 slaves requires 20 lucky rolls. And Blood Vengeance guarantees that he'll lose a lot of mages making those 20 lucky rolls.

-Max

[chrispedersen]

Again Reinvig doesn't do much with b1 or lower casters. Huge difference between b1 & B2.

[MaxWilson]

You know, that's funny, Chris, because I just tried a Helheim linebacker communion with a B1 master (Vanjarl) casting Reinvigoration and everybody in the communion (1 master + 4 slaves) wound up with 0 fatigue. So it does work in this situation. In fact, I'd say it's a necessity for making a linebacker communion work for Helheim because Vanjarls end up with 108 fatigue after casting Sabbath Slave. :/ Soul Vortex isn't going to be able to deal with fatigue that high.

-Max

[Jarkko]

Reinvigoration seems to remove all fatigue, except the fatigue from the spell itself. Thus if you have for example one communion slave (without any paths in B) getting buffed by one Sabbath master, the results are less than stellar (the slave gets IIRC 80 fatigue from the spell). If you have four or more slaves (without any B) and/or the slave(s) have innate B2+, then the effect is much better.

[chrispedersen]

Originally Posted by MaxWilson

You know, that's funny, Chris, because I just tried a Helheim linebacker communion with a B1 master (Vanjarl) casting Reinvigoration and everybody in the communion (1 master + 4 slaves) wound up with 0 fatigue. So it does work in this situation. In fact, I'd say it's a necessity for making a linebacker communion work for Helheim because Vanjarls end up with 108 fatigue after casting Sabbath Slave. :/ Soul Vortex isn't going to be able to deal with fatigue that high.

-Max

Weird. I tried it with Vampire + 4 fortune tellers, CBM. 0-7 more or less fatigue removed.

Essentially: Vampire: BM. Hell Power, Reinvig.
Ft: CSlave, hold hold hold hold

Maybe I should try it again with BSlave.

[Baalz]

In case anybody is interested, I wrote a fairly extensive guide to communions. It can be found in the link in my sig.

[MaxWilson]

Originally Posted by chrispedersen

Weird. I tried it with Vampire + 4 fortune tellers, CBM. 0-7 more or less fatigue removed.

Essentially: Vampire: BM. Hell Power, Reinvig.
Ft: CSlave, hold hold hold hold

Maybe I should try it again with BSlave.

Yeah, that is weird. I don't know what's going on.

-Max