SC's vs Thugs - Page 5

Valandil · #41 February 11th, 2006, 12:27 AM

Banefire? Gifts From Heaven? 72 quickened arch seraphs casting lightening bolt?

If you live through these (except for the seraphs... then you are an sc. Otherwise, you are dead and it doesn't matter.

Seriously, the line between a thug and an sc is so blurred as to be meaningless. The best rule I've found is that if it kills armies then it is good, otherwise, don't use it.

shovah · #42 February 11th, 2006, 05:22 AM

iirc gifts from heaven and banefire are quite inaccurate. and as for the seraphs just make him immune to lightning (and hope they dont spam wolves

)

Cainehill · #43 February 11th, 2006, 06:12 AM

Innacurate? They hit a hex. If your caster has air magic, or an eye of aiming, or 1 nature for eagle eyes, I wouldn't want to be much under tartarian, prophetized Niefel, or pretender (in friendly dominion). As far as the seraphs go - best make sure he's immune to cold as well (but doesn't frozen heart damage cold immunes?).

And, shovah : rarely does someone have _so_ many SCs of any nature that they can mass a "load of" flying ones. Other than the Air Queens, most SCs don't fly, and making them fly wastes a slot, often making them "a dead former SC known as Prince" or some such.

Cainehill · #44 February 11th, 2006, 06:14 AM

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Valandil said:
Seriously, the line between a thug and an sc is so blurred as to be meaningless. The best rule I've found is that if it kills armies then it is good, otherwise, don't use it.

How about this : The SC is the one where, you weep if you lose it.

shovah · #45 February 11th, 2006, 09:16 AM

lol, i remember the time i thought id lost my uber tooledup golem to ulmish pd, i almost punched my monitor in but then i remembered it was just a commander id sacrificed

Vicious Love · #46 February 12th, 2006, 02:32 PM

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Cainehill said:
Not to mention, how much you're willing to empower critters that aren't usually considered SCs. GoR a tarrasque and empower it a bit, and it certainly falls into the potential SC class. ( I did this in a game on the World map - think it had air, water and fire all at 2 or 3, making it a very big way to say "hello" by cloud trapezing it in

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Whoa. About 12 tarrasques worth of tarrasque. I never went further than GoRing one as a relatively cheap throwaway platform for Kurgi's Gift. I guess the middlin' MR is kind of a turn-off. Now, a GoRed abomination, especially one with an MR-enhancing item and/or path, that's Soul Slay resistant. The lifedrains are a plus, too.

shovah · #47 February 12th, 2006, 03:44 PM

an abomb with amulet of anti-magic and some reinvig (or maybe an air shield)

Vicious Love · #48 February 12th, 2006, 07:10 PM

One level of earth gives both basic reinvig and an MR boost, if you're willing to spend 1-2 rounds buffing. Does Iron Will stack with Magic Resistance/Amulets of Antimagic?

Graeme Dice · #49 February 12th, 2006, 07:21 PM

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shovah said:
an abomb with amulet of anti-magic and some reinvig (or maybe an air shield)

It has three life drain attacks, so it won't need reinvigoration except against air magic and lifeless opponents. You'd probably be best off with an amulet of anti-magic and a ring of lightning resistance for general use.

shovah · #50 February 12th, 2006, 07:33 PM

depends who your fighting (the ring wont help you much vrs abysia will it?) but if you could get an artifact (gift of kurgi/soulstone/nethgul) it might help