OT: a nice RPG-ish game? - Page 5

Graeme Dice · #41 September 5th, 2004, 10:51 PM

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Stormbinder said:
The next Krondor's game created with Feist by different company (Return to Krondor) was not nearly as good as original.

Feist explained some of why the game wasn't so good in a few recent Posts to alt.books.raymond-feist You should be able to find them on google Groups.

Lex · #42 September 6th, 2004, 12:51 AM

Planescape: Torment is definitly my favorite game of all too.. I've been thinking about playing it over a second time recently.. also found this: http://www.wischik.com/lu/senses/pst-book.html

its all the dialogue from the game put into Novel format. I haven't had a chance to read it yet, but it seems like a brilliant idea!

deccan · #43 September 6th, 2004, 01:01 AM

I agree that Planescape: Torment is a great game. But surely it's more adventure and less RPG?

Cainehill · #44 September 6th, 2004, 02:16 AM

More adventure and less RPG? Methinks you think of another game.

Planescape is the one where you wake up dead, and the first member of your party is an obnoxious ... skull. Very much an RPG of the first water.

Kel · #45 September 6th, 2004, 02:26 AM

character development, loot, semi tactical fighting, lots of NPCs with interesting personalities, heck even based on a pen and paper rpg...

- Kel

Stormbinder · #46 September 6th, 2004, 04:39 AM

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Lex said:
Planescape: Torment is definitly my favorite game of all too.. I've been thinking about playing it over a second time recently.. also found this: http://www.wischik.com/lu/senses/pst-book.html

its all the dialogue from the game put into Novel format. I haven't had a chance to read it yet, but it seems like a brilliant idea!

I'll take a look, thank you.

Also I suggest check out the Last release of this fan made fix pack, if you are going to play Planescape again. It fixes a lot of bugs/missing items that were left unfixed by oficial pathces. It aslo activite some interesting dialog options that existded in code but were missing from the game. All in all I think it it is "must have" patch for hardcore Planscape fans.

http://www.accesswave.ca/~cthorpe/

Stormbinder · #47 September 6th, 2004, 04:55 AM

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deccan said:
I agree that Planescape: Torment is a great game. But surely it's more adventure and less RPG?

Not at all. In fact it is the Mother of all RPGs in my opinion.

After all, we sometimes forgot that RPG stands for Role Playing Game.

And the quality and quantity of roleplaying in PS:T is unsurpassed by any other computer RPG up to date, IMHO.

In addition PS:T has all "standard" computer RPG's "wheels and whisles" that you could possible ask for, and it is based upon AD&D pen and paper RPG system. But unlike so many of its computer brethen it actually has the story to tell, which happened to rival best of adventure games (and most of good fantasy books) out there, and it allows you to change and shape this story as you go. But that doesn't make the game "adventure" by any means. It is pure RPG, amd much more so than many mainstream one.

(Sorry if I sound a bit like preaching, but as you can tell I really love this game

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Regards,
Stormbinder

Alneyan · #48 September 6th, 2004, 06:19 AM

I must say my view is closer to Deccan. Torment is based on dialogue, its universe (which is borrowed from the pen and pencil RPG of the same name), but has little else to its name. At least, I get quite bored when doing battles and the like, and only the dialogues kept my interest alive in this game (they are good enough to make me love the game, however).

I would definitively not put Torment on the same level as, say, Darklands or Daggerfall, or others. So a Category should be created for this one; what about "rattling box RPG"?

A game such as Albion would be much closer to the gameplay I had with Torment, or even Omkiron for this matter . These are games I did not play for their RPG side, but for their ambiance and background. On the other hand, my description quite looks like some of the Ultimas (namely Ultima VII and VIII; I did not play Ultima IX), so perhaps I am just splitting hair.

Beorne · #49 September 6th, 2004, 07:03 AM

I understand that someone palyng DomII games is more PC oriented then console oriented, but no-one has considered anj jap like RPG!

If one loves freedom of movement (some one remembers 'Fairy tales' (or something like) on Amiga?), unique char deploying, balanced difficulty, the JRPG are not so good. But on the other hands, if one likes the storytelling aspect, they are the top.
I started playing Bard's Tale, Ultima IV, V, VI, then I approached Diablo. I remember the pure Hack&Slash of Diablo, and I didn't liked it. If I go for H&S and dont' bother the story I want a very deep system, like Dom2 or ADOM or NH. The JRPG dont' have a very balnced system, often are easy and sometimes frustrating. But some have the finest world and story (ancd characters) ever built.

Some titles i have in mind:
Chrono Trigger (SNES)
Final Fantasy VII, IX (PS, PS2)
Xenogears, (PS)
Vagrant Story (not really an RPG but beautiful) (PS)
Suikoden, (PS)
Final Fantasy Tactic (PS)
Front mission III (PS)
these Last two are 'strategic' JRPG, some worsd to indicate tactical party combat game with RPG elements.

Stormbinder · #50 September 6th, 2004, 08:10 AM

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Alneyan said:
I must say my view is closer to Deccan. Torment is based on dialogue, its universe (which is borrowed from the pen and pencil RPG of the same name), but has little else to its name. At least, I get quite bored when doing battles and the like, and only the dialogues kept my interest alive in this game (they are good enough to make me love the game, however).

I would definitively not put Torment on the same level as, say, Darklands or Daggerfall, or others. So a Category should be created for this one; what about "rattling box RPG"?

A game such as Albion would be much closer to the gameplay I had with Torment, or even Omkiron for this matter . These are games I did not play for their RPG side, but for their ambiance and background. On the other hand, my description quite looks like some of the Ultimas (namely Ultima VII and VIII; I did not play Ultima IX), so perhaps I am just splitting hair.

Errr... You are saying Ultima 7 and Ultima 8 in the same breath??? Most Ultima fans would call for your blood at this point.

Are you sure you did not confuse numbers?

As for the Tornment and other roleplaying games - there are many different types and subgenres of RPGs, naturally. Obviously PS:T is different type of RPG than Darklands. Just like Fallout is different type of RPG from System Shock 2.

However just because one RPG is different from another, that doesn't make one of them none-RPG.

RPG stands for Role Playing. In Albion that you mentioned for example, you can't roleplay at all. IIRC it has no choices, no multyply endings, and is very linera. It is still considered to be RPg, because it has mechanics and numbers, and this is fine. In PS:T in addition to all numenrs and choices how to develop your character, you roleplay more than in any other RPG that I ever played during each step of your long journey, and as I said I've played a lot of computer and none computer rpgs.

So of course PS:T is RPG.