Question about Corps Expéditionnaire Français en Extrême-Orient, French Indochina.

[Pibwl]

Speaking of France, here are my notes:

#005 AMX-13 - is there a difference from 001 unit?... There might be more SD shots for all AMX-13s, since it had 4 tubes, but carried 12 smoke grenades in all (according to 1967 Armour in Profile No.12 book)

#008, 009 AMX-13/SS-11 - according to Armour in Profile, their ammunition for gun was lowered - 33 rounds.

#045, 46 AMX-105/50 - there are known photos with AAT AAMG http://www.chars-francais.net/new/in...=681&Itemid=36
I don't know if it was standard.

#064 SAS Jeep - better picture might be 36033 or 36867

#073 Panhard EBR 51 - proper pic is 6560 (early model with FL-11 turret)

#075 Ferret Mk 1 - I don't know how about Mk 1, but the French for sure used Mk 2/3 turreted version (there is a photo from Algeria from 1964).

#086, 087 M3A1Halftrack - better pic is 56805 (M3A1 with gun ring). There should be space in name. BTW, icon 538 should have a ring on a right side, I think.

#089 AMX VCI - better picture for 12.7 AAMG is 6088

#091 AMX VCI - correct picture for 7.5mm CMG (turret) is 6059

#81, 107 Jeep - French Jeeps (mostly Hotchkiss M201) carried 7.7mm AA52 MG as a standard (introduced in the 1950s).

#108 Delahaye - precise name of this Jeep-like vehicle is VLR-D, but it was produced only from 1951 (according to Military jeep: 1940 onwards book). Production ceased around 1956, so they were probably used a bit longer (now: 1/46-12/57).

#112, 315, 383 Bazooka Team - proper picture for Super Bazooka M20 is 23550

#113 57mm RCL - correct pic is 9074 or 12072. Current is 75mm M20 (used in the game mostly as M40)

#160, 161, 218-220, 904, 971 all Rafale should have picture 6159 (they have Mirage III now)

#165 B-26 Marauder - correct pic is 9193 (now it's Invader)

#173, 174 T6G Tomcat - correct pic is 9143 (T-6 Harvard, now it's T-28)

#181 F-84F - correct pic is 9134 (now it's F-84G)

#221 F-8E Crusader - I've proposed a picture of the French F-8, eg. 010.

#222 Junker - is the name correct?..

#278, 279 Goumiers, 284 Eclaireurs moi, 285 Native Scouts - proper pic for .303 Lee Enfield is 7096

#291 Armoured Truck - better picture seems 64534

#316 57mm RCL - as #113

#384, 402 Alpine Inf-AT - picture used for LRAC is 6117

#439, 440 VTT PM 81mm, 120mm - better pic for SP-mortars with external 12.7mm is 6088

#469 2.5 Ton GMC - proper pic for GMS is 23578

#481-487 H34 Pirate - better picture of specifically French H-34 is 6483

#511-512 SA 116 Pirate, WW SA 116 - I couldn't find "SA 116" designation in the Web. H-34 Pirate might be safer?..


Formations:
#005 AMX13/SS11 Pl - according to Armour in profile no.12, there were four AMX-13/SS11 in a platoon.

Regards
Michal

[Palle]

Michal, I can answer one question. But have another...

Junker is (almost) spelled correct, it is the old "Auntie JU" of WWII fame; the Junkers JU-52. It was all the air transport the French had available in the early post-war years before America started to percieve the Indochina War as a part of the global struggle against Communism and support it instead of merely a colonial struggle to maintain overlordship.

I am pretty certain the last combat jump from Junkers JU-52 was "Operation Tulipe", the first phase of the Battle for Hoa Binh where the 1er BEP jumped near Cho Ben on 10th November 1951. And I think that perhaps it would be suitable with an end date for the Junkers of 12-51? Don? Andy?

Meanwhile, in your exhaustive list (GJ) you write:

#075 Ferret Mk 1 - I don't know how about Mk 1, but the French for sure used Mk 2/3 turreted version (there is a photo from Algeria from 1964).

What source is this? I am pretty certain that the last French units left Algeria in 1962 as the French government (De Gaulle) granted Algeria independence from 1962 and the nature of the war had left the French rather unpopular in those quarters. It was, after all, a pretty nasty affair... Actually very nasty. You would have to look at Russia in Chechnya to find something worse.

[Pibwl]

Originally Posted by Palle

What source is this? I am pretty certain that the last French units left Algeria in 1962 as the French government (De Gaulle) granted Algeria independence from 1962 and the nature of the war had left the French rather unpopular in those quarters.

It is in Simon Dunstan "British armoured cars since 1945". A description is "...a member of the 1er Regiment de Cuirassiers consults a map during a patrol in Algeria during 1964". Year of course might be mistake.

Regards
Michal

[Mobhack]

Originally Posted by Pibwl

Speaking of France, here are my notes:

#005 AMX-13 - is there a difference from 001 unit?... There might be more SD shots for all AMX-13s, since it had 4 tubes, but carried 12 smoke grenades in all (according to 1967 Armour in Profile No.12 book)

#008, 009 AMX-13/SS-11 - according to Armour in Profile, their ammunition for gun was lowered - 33 rounds.

#045, 46 AMX-105/50 - there are known photos with AAT AAMG http://www.chars-francais.net/new/in...=681&Itemid=36
I don't know if it was standard.

#064 SAS Jeep - better picture might be 36033 or 36867

#073 Panhard EBR 51 - proper pic is 6560 (early model with FL-11 turret)

#075 Ferret Mk 1 - I don't know how about Mk 1, but the French for sure used Mk 2/3 turreted version (there is a photo from Algeria from 1964).

#086, 087 M3A1Halftrack - better pic is 56805 (M3A1 with gun ring). There should be space in name. BTW, icon 538 should have a ring on a right side, I think.

#089 AMX VCI - better picture for 12.7 AAMG is 6088

#091 AMX VCI - correct picture for 7.5mm CMG (turret) is 6059

#81, 107 Jeep - French Jeeps (mostly Hotchkiss M201) carried 7.7mm AA52 MG as a standard (introduced in the 1950s).

#108 Delahaye - precise name of this Jeep-like vehicle is VLR-D, but it was produced only from 1951 (according to Military jeep: 1940 onwards book). Production ceased around 1956, so they were probably used a bit longer (now: 1/46-12/57).

#112, 315, 383 Bazooka Team - proper picture for Super Bazooka M20 is 23550

#113 57mm RCL - correct pic is 9074 or 12072. Current is 75mm M20 (used in the game mostly as M40)

#160, 161, 218-220, 904, 971 all Rafale should have picture 6159 (they have Mirage III now)

#165 B-26 Marauder - correct pic is 9193 (now it's Invader)

#173, 174 T6G Tomcat - correct pic is 9143 (T-6 Harvard, now it's T-28)

#181 F-84F - correct pic is 9134 (now it's F-84G)

#221 F-8E Crusader - I've proposed a picture of the French F-8, eg. 010.

#222 Junker - is the name correct?..

#278, 279 Goumiers, 284 Eclaireurs moi, 285 Native Scouts - proper pic for .303 Lee Enfield is 7096

#291 Armoured Truck - better picture seems 64534

#316 57mm RCL - as #113

#384, 402 Alpine Inf-AT - picture used for LRAC is 6117

#439, 440 VTT PM 81mm, 120mm - better pic for SP-mortars with external 12.7mm is 6088

#469 2.5 Ton GMC - proper pic for GMS is 23578

#481-487 H34 Pirate - better picture of specifically French H-34 is 6483

#511-512 SA 116 Pirate, WW SA 116 - I couldn't find "SA 116" designation in the Web. H-34 Pirate might be safer?..


Formations:
#005 AMX13/SS11 Pl - according to Armour in profile no.12, there were four AMX-13/SS11 in a platoon.

Regards
Michal

And which is off-topic for the thread really.

If you have complaints about a particular OOB in general then you really should in future open a new thread for that specific purpose.

It makes our keeping track of any such error reports much easier than having to recall that it was actually buried inside this thread on a related subject as an aside...

Andy

[DRG]

Yes it would have been better as it's own thread but I have them now so please no not post a second time

Don

[Pibwl]

Right - I just thought on corrections to the French OOB while reading this thread... Thanks for keeping attention.

Michal