werewolfing item..

[Burnsaber]

Originally Posted by Fantomen

You lose research bonus with transformation too then?

Yeah. Researchbonus is an ability of a unit, just like flying, sacred and the like.

[Edi]

Originally Posted by Fantomen

You lose research bonus with transformation too then?

Yes, since it is an intrinsic property of the monster type, as opposed to a property of the individual unit (which is what the realized magic picks are).

[chrispedersen]

interesting. so by extension units that get a research penalty
(shinuyama, machaka, Yomi) among others .. could reverse their research penalties.....interesting.

Hmmm.. theoretically you could also use it to fix old age problems...
I wonder what unit has the biggest research penalty....

[Stavis_L]

Originally Posted by chrispedersen

I wonder what unit has the biggest research penalty....

That would be Dai Oni, with -5 (per Edi's DB.)

[chrispedersen]

Yeah that would have been my guess as well.
Still at 500 gp ish.. I wonder if they become effective...

Very interesting...

[Makinus]

And how many turns (on average) a unit with werewolf amulet takes to become a werewolf?

[chrispedersen]

hmm... I wonder if the dai oni's have 3 slots...
give the oni 3 items, slave collar in last.. when he becomes a werewolf, item returns to the lab...?

could give him a fever fetish too....

[Stavis_L]

Originally Posted by Makinus

And how many turns (on average) a unit with werewolf amulet takes to become a werewolf?

Not sure about average, but they have to fail a MR check. I have a Sidhe Lord thug (Eiru) in a game that picked one up during initial expansion, and hasn't turned yet at the end of year 4. Of course, his MR is base 17.

A Dai Oni with MR 18 would be even less likely to turn. Bane Lords with MR 16 are also pretty unlikely. All this talk about using it to make cost effective research mages is pretty far fetched since mages generally have high MR.

On the other hand, I find that an Indy Commander (MR 10) who happens to pick one up will likely turn within a year or so, give or take.

[chrispedersen]

hence my question about the # of slots.
Slave collar gives -5 MR.
Void eye gives -2 MR
Banner of the Northern Star gives -2.
Magic +3 as well.

so if you have 3 slots, and if you reduce down to 2, and if you can recover the slave collar, this looks like a pretty effective way.

Ie., Banner + slave collar + Magic 3 = MR of 8 or less for a lot of units.

[Stavis_L]

Originally Posted by chrispedersen

hence my question about the # of slots.
Slave collar gives -5 MR.
Void eye gives -2 MR
Banner of the Northern Star gives -2.
Magic +3 as well.

so if you have 3 slots, and if you reduce down to 2, and if you can recover the slave collar, this looks like a pretty effective way.

Ie., Banner + slave collar + Magic 3 = MR of 8 or less for a lot of units.

Ah...sorry, no. Dai Oni have 2 misc slots, not 3. Aside from pretenders and CBM heroes, I think you're pretty much restricted to Ashdod/Hinnom for 3 misc slot mage types.