Manifestation is overpowerd.

[Argitoth]

mathusalem said:
so because there isn't a way to immune, it's overpowered ?

EXACTLY. Anything in which it is impossible to be immune is overpowered.

Remember my water queen thread? My aegis shield thread? What other debates did I start? Those were all based on precicely this point.

[Edi]

Well, just to make it absolutely clear:

NO GUARANTEE OF IMMUNITY = WAD. Working as designed. Working PRECISELY as it should be

There is no guarantee, there is not supposed to be one. You do not have a point!

[calmon]

Argitoth said:
EXACTLY. Anything in which it is impossible to be immune is overpowered.

Remember my water queen thread? My aegis shield thread? What other debates did I start? Those were all based on precicely this point.

You've a really simple view of some things.

Following your logic a spell which just win you the complete game is overpowered. Regardless it cost 1 gem or 1.000.000!

[Argitoth]

Anyway, I'm no longer interested in trying to convince people that Manifestation is overpowered. It was fun while it lasted. This is definitely my last thread I'm going to create before I leave.

[Fal]

Argitoth said:
Anyway, I'm no longer interested in trying to convince people that Manifestation is overpowered. It was fun while it lasted. This is definitely my last thread I'm going to create before I leave.

about time...

[MaxWilson]

Argitoth said:
If someone said, "Well, I just did some tests and here's where you're wrong." that would be music to my ears.

...and yes I'm going to triple post.

Okay, I tested this. Manifestation is indeed an awesome spell, and it had a high kill rate on the AI commanders. Frequently it bypassed the guards, and even when it did tangle with the guards (it always went for Jotun guards over Gygjas, and Summon Imps worked too) it still beat them and killed the mage. But guards often did work as blockers. Also, mages who could respond with skelly spam seemed to come out fine. So, I don't agree that there's no protection from Manifestation, although obviously if you push your luck and stick around a province where someone is spamming Manifestation you're going to get unlucky sooner or later.

-Max

[Gregstrom]

Argitoth said:
Anything in which it is impossible to be immune is overpowered.

Physical damage is overpowered?

[Jazzepi]

Argitoth said:
Anyway, I'm no longer interested in trying to convince people that Manifestation is overpowered. It was fun while it lasted. This is definitely my last thread I'm going to create before I leave.

Thank god.

Jazzepi

[Meglobob]

Argitoth said:Anything in which it is impossible to be immune is overpowered.

So, that would be virtually Dom3 the entire game then? Also perhaps 70% of all strategy games?

Don't you think being immune to be attacked would be overpowered? I mean what would be the point in anyone playing if that was the case?

In Dominions you cannot get too attached to any unit, you after be prepared to suffer casualties including losing your favourite SC, thug, mage, summon or whatever.

Finally, just in case anyone is in doubt manifestation is probably the least useful of the various assassination spells. Its in no way overpowered.

[MaxWilson]

Argitoth said:

EXACTLY. Anything in which it is impossible to be immune is overpowered.

Remember my water queen thread? My aegis shield thread? What other debates did I start? Those were all based on precicely this point.

Since Manifestation has a non-zero chance of targeting the D5 mage casting the spell, and it's "impossible for him to be immune" to his own Ashen Angel, this logic implies that Manifestation is overly nerfed and useless because it could wipe out every D5 mage that casts it in a single turn and there's NO WAY TO PROTECT THEM. In fact, most of the game is "overpowered" because Dominions goes out of its way (by using open-ended dice) to ensure that nothing is ever a sure bet. A slinger can kill a Tartarian with one sling stone if he happens to roll 200 damage.

In probabilistic war games, as opposed to chess, good tactics mean tilting the probabilities in your favor and recovering when the dice go bad. Vs. Manifestation, this means either using decoys, using guards and/or skelly spam, scripting "Vortex of Returning" so the angel can't hit you, or decking your mage out as an SC so he can kill the Ashen Angel (mostly this happens when you're using the Tartarian chains, which summon occasional Ashen Angels to kill you).

-Max