SP, MLRS and SPAA Developments

[DRG]

I have a project for anyone who wants it as I am already busy x2

Find me the names of the systems and nations that have them for of all the modern artillery systems that can utilise GPS for precision targeting

RCH 155 is already covered but I believe there are others and/or others in the pipeline . I belive the M777 would also qualify but there must be others I just have too many other things to do ATM

Related article but I have not had time to read it through
https://euro-sd.com/2024/03/articles...-armed-forces/

[Pibwl]

I've heard only about Excalibur.
I'm sure you know it, but Wikipedia says, that self-propelled guns compatible with the Excalibur projectile are the American M109A6 Paladin and M109A7, British AS-90, German PzH 2000, South African G6, Swedish Archer and French Caesar. Towed guns compatible with the Excalibur projectile are the American M198 and M777 howitzers. Also Ukrainians used Excalibur with Krab.

Current operators: Australia, Canada, Jordan, India, Netherlands, Spain, Sweden, Ukraine (M777 and Krab and possibly others), and of course USA. Future or pending operators: Norway, Germany, Denmark.

[FASTBOAT TOUGH]

Pibwl is on the right his list is good. I have to get in the shower!

The "short cut" is with the GPS EQUIPPED SHELLS/MISSILES and Rockets.

You CANNOT EFFECTIVLY fire a GPS ANYTHING because it has to know WHERE IT IS TO KNOW WHERE IT IS GOING.

SO, RECOMMEND FIND THE AMMO AND YOU'LL FIND THE "LAUNCHERS".

bUT THIS IS A "CAUTIONARY" TALE AS SOME POORER COUNTRIES WON'T HAVE THE AMMO OR EQUIPPED GPS UNITS THAT OTHERS DO.

sORRY FOR MESS!

Regards,
Pat

[Pibwl]

Artillery range annomalies.

As I understand, range 10 km = 200, and a surplus is added to 200 (eg. 2S1 Gvozdika: 15 km = 205, 2S19 Msta: 29 km = 219, M109A1: 23.5 km RAP = 214, M109A6: 30 km RAP = 220)

Krab: 40 km = should be 230
(Polish oob weapon #207 155mm L/52 and Ukrainian #115 oob is only 220)

K9: 41 km = should be 231
(S.Korean oob #124 155/52 FH is only 220; same for Finland #141 and probably whoever uses it)
(BTW: name of Korean unit 045 K-9 should be K9, for a consistency, and usually written this way)

PzH 2000: at least 40 km = 230 (or 54 km w/RAP = 244)
(German #112 155mm FH155-1 is only 215 - but it shares weapon with L/36 FH155-1, which has range only 30.1 km w/RAP according to German Wikipedia - which should be 221 anyway)
Same for Ukrainian #112, Hungarian #113, Greek #93 (used only by PzH2000), Netherlands #112 (shared with FH-70 and M-109).
Italian #144 is correct.

M109A1 + in British OOB: weapon #110 155mm M198 GH is 220, while it should be max 214 with RAP (23.5 km) (if they use RAP).

AS90 in Ukrainian OOB: weapon #141 has range 220, while it should be 24.7 km = 215. It shares weapon with FH-70, which should have the same range 24.7km actually (30.1 km only w/RAP)
In British OOB AS90 has correct range 215.

[Pibwl]

Russia

345 2S35 Koalitsiya - surely it's not used since 8/18, and it should have radio x3 as for now. Its real operational status and number is unknown, and the Russians didn't boast of its eventual service on Ukrainian front.
Reportedly in 6/20 eight howitzers were handed to experimental military operation. According to Russian Wikipedia [url]https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/2%D0%A135[/url,] in 8/23 a factory director reported, that the production had started, and state trials would be completed by end of 2023.
Finally, on 5 January 2024(!) TASS agency informed, that Russian army received first Koalitsya-SV https://tass.ru/armiya-i-opk/19677215

Ordinary range is given on Russian Wikipedia as 40 km, and 70 km only with a corrected ammo. This is BTW another case of GPS/Glonass corrected ammo, but I don't know what is its status. The Russians of course brag as usual, that Koalitsya with its range of 70 or 80 km "has no analogues in the world", but I'd guess, that a long-range precise ammo would be a rarity (provided that it reached production status...).

854 2S43 Malva - now used from 12/22. According to Russian Wikipedia https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/2%D0%A143, with a given source, on 26 October 2023 first series vehicles were given to the army. It gives range only 24.5 km = 215, or 40 km with RAP according to https://iz.ru/1595380/2023-10-26/voe...stanovki-malva while now it has a super cannon of Koalitsya with 255 range (it basically has the same 2A88 cannon).

[DRG]

Originally Posted by Pibwl

I've heard only about Excalibur.
I'm sure you know it, but Wikipedia says, that self-propelled guns compatible with the Excalibur projectile are the American M109A6 Paladin and M109A7, British AS-90, German PzH 2000, South African G6, Swedish Archer and French Caesar. Towed guns compatible with the Excalibur projectile are the American M198 and M777 howitzers. Also Ukrainians used Excalibur with Krab.

Current operators: Australia, Canada, Jordan, India, Netherlands, Spain, Sweden, Ukraine (M777 and Krab and possibly others), and of course USA. Future or pending operators: Norway, Germany, Denmark.

Those are the guns I have narrowed down to as a preliminary list and the nation list helps focus

We have just started exploring ways to best present them in the game as they are not "barrage" weapons

...and any thoughts I had about making forward progress just went out the window

[FASTBOAT TOUGH]

Sounds like this is now a "Dead Project" but, for me I just found the website I've been missing for the last couple of years. Don knows for many years I had include this sites information for just about every submission I made.

The research was very good, and the equipment data was as well.

Then the war came along in 2024, and it seemly died with it.

You wanted country listing it had it in alphabetical order based on everything that's in our world.

I got it to open up its working on my PC. I simply changed my "search plan" to get it and it worked, so I hope it will work in here, which I'll test when I finish this post.

Where I found it from the UK
https://www.secretprojects.co.uk/thr...om-gone.44256/
(29 Jan 2025 entry bottom. I believe I accidently came across this site a few years back related to their sites main objective.)

The site...
https://web.archive.org/web/20240808...tarytoday.com/

Artillery Section...
https://web.archive.org/web/20240405.../artillery.htm
(Scroll all the way down to better appreciate the work they did and how deeply they covered each section. by equipment type.)

Couple of random selected individual systems...
https://web.archive.org/web/20240321.../jupiter_5.htm
https://web.archive.org/web/20240522...illery/agm.htm
https://web.archive.org/web/20240117...lery/m1992.htm
https://web.archive.org/web/20230821...lery/t5_52.htm

Field Guns and Howitzers...
https://web.archive.org/web/20240117...ery/trajan.htm
https://web.archive.org/web/20240117...777_portee.htm

SPAA...
https://web.archive.org/web/20240324...y/otomatic.htm
https://web.archive.org/web/20240117...y/marksman.htm

Fire Support/Tank Destroyers...
https://web.archive.org/web/20240117..._IIIc_df90.htm
https://web.archive.org/web/20230815...illery/mcv.htm
(One of the last I got from here the picture might look familiar to some.)

MLRS...
https://web.archive.org/web/20240117...astros_iii.htm
https://web.archive.org/web/20240117...lery/naiza.htm
https://web.archive.org/web/20240204...ery/rt2000.htm

Mortars Carriers/SPM...
https://web.archive.org/web/20231126...l_2_mortar.htm
https://web.archive.org/web/20240204...lery/m1287.htm

Guided Artillery Shells...
https://web.archive.org/web/20240522.../smart_155.htm
(Similar to French Bonus round.)
https://web.archive.org/web/20240315.../krasnopol.htm
https://web.archive.org/web/20231204.../santimetr.htm
https://web.archive.org/web/20240420..._excalibur.htm
(This was a newer area a couple of years at most before going dark.)


These contributors pretty much were volunteers from many countries especially from inside Russia. Very rarely did I have issues corroborating they're data against my other references I regularly use to this day.

It at the least was my starting point most of the time once I felt comfortable with their data and fact checking. Many times, it was the "middle word" and also the "final word" but it always provided the foundation to build upon and pointed me in the right direction to further look into a piece of equipment.

I HOPE THIS WORKS If for no one else than for me at least.

I have detected that this equipment and the others on this site were manually archived be they shut down to save it somewhere safe.

Rumors at the time suggested the Ukrainian Govt. shut them down for Security reasons. Other say like KBMW they were targeted as well due to their Russian sources.

I would like to think it was a little of the first and more that they joined the fight to save their country. They were young trying to make a living and I hope when this is done that they'll be back "live" again.

EDIT: TESTED ALL SAT/HOW DO I FEEL ABOUT THIS? WELL.../MERRY F-ing Christmas! /HOW DOES CINCLANTHOME FEEL ABOUT THIS AS I JUST RECIEVED A VISITATION AT OPPS 0350-WELL SOMETHING LIKE THIS IS RIDICULES!!

Earlier day later I need to get my "6" (Maybe in more ways than one now after the visit.)!!

Regards,
Pat