OT: Captured Troops

[Phoenix-D]

"By the way, who was the first showing enemy prisioners of war on TV?
CNN or Iraki TV?"

Just curious, but what does this have to do with anything?

Phoenix-D

[phaet2112]

Illuminating the hypocritical nature of the sec. of defense and our own media (Paula Zahn on CNN the morning the men and women were shown on video saying "this is ghastly and disgusting." yet cuts to our own footage of us leading iraqi troops away.) And loudly proclaming how many troops we've captured, and how well we are treating them, in comparison to the people still detained at guantanomo bay or the possibly hundreds we've killed in afghanistan.

[PsychoTechFreak]

Originally posted by Phoenix-D:


Just curious, but what does this have to do with anything?

Phoenix-D

It is a breach of Geneva Convention? Yes indeed, POWs have NOT to be shown in TV !

Article 13

Prisoners of war must at all times be humanely treated. Any unlawful act or omission by the Detaining Power causing death or seriously endangering the health of a prisoner of war in its custody is prohibited, and will be regarded as a serious breach of the present Convention. In particular, no prisoner of war may be subjected to physical mutilation or to medical or scientific experiments of any kind which are not justified by the medical, dental or hospital treatment of the prisoner concerned and carried out in his interest.

Likewise, prisoners of war must at all times be protected , particularly against acts of violence or intimidation and against insults and public curiosity . Measures of reprisal against prisoners of war are prohibited.

But who cares, god bless america.

[ March 25, 2003, 21:56: Message edited by: PsychoTechFreak ]

[Phoenix-D]

"It is a breach of Geneva Convention? Yes indeed, POWs have NOT to be shown in TV"

And in the WTF catagory..
EDIT:
"against insults and public curiosity"

To me that sounds more like don't be sticking them in the stockades for people to laugh at, not a one minute clip of random soldiers being led away.

Anyway:
"Illuminating the hypocritical nature of the sec. of defense and our own media (Paula Zahn on CNN the morning the men and women were shown on video saying "this is ghastly and disgusting." yet cuts to our own footage of us leading iraqi troops away.)"

I think the point here was the killing POWs vs well, not killing them or treating them that badly.

"And loudly proclaming how many troops we've captured, and how well we are treating them, in comparison to the people still detained at guantanomo bay or the possibly hundreds we've killed in afghanistan."

The definition of treated well from a criminal and a POW are somewhat different. POWs don't get access to lawyers, which is what the complaining in the cuba base was about. And killed..hello, you do military operations, people die. Sort of a fact of life.

Phoenix-D

[ March 25, 2003, 22:01: Message edited by: Phoenix-D ]

[PsychoTechFreak]

Originally posted by Phoenix-D:

And in the WTF catagory..

What the f.. does this abbrev. mean?

EDIT:
"against insults and public curiosity"

To me that sounds more like don't be sticking them in the stockades for people to laugh at, not a one minute clip of random soldiers being led away

Well, it is a matter of interpretation, but of course, what we have seen from Al-jazeera TV and their question/answer games has been another story.

[tesco samoa]

http://www.guardian.co.uk/comment/st...921192,00.html

an interesting article about the prisoners and the Taliban prisoners...

[dogscoff]

Interesting Tesco? Horrific more like. I know not everyone reads every link posted in these threads, but here are some highlights:

On November 21 2001, around 8,000 Taliban soldiers and Pashtun civilians surrendered at Konduz to the Northern Alliance commander, General Abdul Rashid Dostum ... The doors were sealed and the lorries were left to stand in the sun for several days ... The prisoners, many of whom were dying of thirst and asphyxiation, started banging on the sides of the trucks. Dostum's men stopped the convoy and machine-gunned the containers. When they arrived at Sheberghan, most of the captives were dead ... The US special forces running the prison watched the bodies being unloaded. They instructed Dostum's men to "get rid of them before satellite pictures can be taken" ... In the presence of up to 40 US special forces, the living and the dead were dumped into ditches. Anyone who moved was shot ... The German newspaper Die Zeit investigated the claims and concluded that: "No one doubted that the Americans had taken part. Even at higher levels there are no doubts on this issue." ... Donald Rumsfeld's department, assisted by a pliant media, has done all it can to suppress Jamie Doran's film, while General Dostum has begun to assassinate his witnesses.

I thought Guantanamo Bay was bad but this is fkn barbaric.

[Phoenix-D]

"What the f.. does this abbrev. mean?"

Exactly what you just said..

Phoenix-D

[PsychoTechFreak]

Public curiosity... Isn't it the same with court procedures with no cameras allowed? I tend to think so.

[phaet2112]

But the judge can allow footage of the defendant and prosecutor if they desire. The jury must always remain unknown, though, to prevent undue influence.