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Old May 1st, 2002, 09:23 AM

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"they had to be forced from office, not having the morality to see their unmatched ambition and corruption!"

If they had that, they probably wouldn't have done it in the first place..

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Old May 1st, 2002, 10:06 AM
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Yeah,

Don't think me too much a sucker, but I firmly believe that (nearly) everyone has a concience. Oh sure, they milk a little, they skim a bit, and pretty soon they skim a lot without really considering the consequences. I could see myself slipping down that slippery slope pretty easily anyway (the "hey, it's just money, it's not like I killed anybody" argument).

And then <blam!> all the cheating of the economy catches up with them! (and unfortunately, it catches up with Argentina) Now if they have any inkling of a concience left, it's time to resign, and admit wrong-doing.

I guess it's pretty unreasonable to cut these scum-bags any moral slack - though powerful people caught in immoral places have fessed up and apologized before.
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Old May 1st, 2002, 04:35 PM

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Jimbob,

I understand what you're saying but don't confuse "conscience" (which has a moral implication) with a sense of self-preservation that accompanies socio-pathological behavior. People who would F an entire country with no thought to the ultimate ramifications other than to consider how they could pull it off relatively unscathed don't have enough moral fortitude to keep them awake at night.

As for apologies.... what good does that do? It doesn't undo their crime, nor make things right. Apologize if they will but accompany it with accountability by them and theirs for the effects of such thievery on a grand scale.
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wr8th:

You're right, they're probably losing sleep more over the fear of reprisal than over what they've done to their people, what a sad commentary on people in positions of power.

As to the apology thing - It seems to me that the apology is a key step in reconciliation and a return to normal, functional society. The greatest (recent) example that I can think of was the "reconciliation commission" put together in South Africa under Archbishop Desmond Tutu. (The premise was that everyone would own up to their wrong doings in a public and legal setting. In exchange for their admitance and contrition, they were guaranteed forgiveness [ie no prosecution] by the state. If you did not own up to your misdeeds by the deadline however, the state was free to prosecute) This act of national confession/forgiveness accomplished three things in my opinion.

1) wrong doers could potentially make a break with their old ways. They could admit and then be forgiven for their deeds. The other option is to be obstinant and refuse to admit ones wrong doing for the sake of self preservation.
2) victims could finally stop fighting to be heard and believed = validation.
3) the country could then move forward because there had been resolution. To see the truth of this, compare the state of South Africa and that of Zimbabwe as it pertains to race-relations.

Now, as to how this type of reconciliation and renunciation of corruption could be acheived in Argentina is beyond me... infact it seems to beyond anyone at the moment. Perhaps instead of calling in the International Monetary Gurus, they should call in people of great character (Tutu, Dali Lama, John Paul II, & others) to help resolve this mess. I believe that there are probably home-grown men of honour too.
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Andres, any more news?
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