Off Topic DO NOT BUY CIV 3

[mac5732]

Spyder, check out Europa-Universalis.com or you can check strategyfirst.com. the lst one is always up to date, strategyfirst usually behind. will give you description of EU I & II. I have EUI and like it, II is supposed to be better. Basically in 2 you start in 1419 and go up thru Napoleon. All the various countries at that time period are present. Also campaigns, 100yr war, war of roses, French revolution and many more, play the various scenerios or campaigns or play the Grand Campaign in which you take 1 country and try to conquor the world. There are many things that can affect you, religion (most religions at time in game), diplomacy (marry off your children to form alliances), trade, and of course War, numerous wars going on, your allies can drag you into a war even tho you don't want to, you have a choice but if refuse it affects your nation etc, you can also ask your allies to join in war against someone but then all alliances come into play for both sides. really to much to explain, check the sites and the forums, Like I said I enjoyed EUI and look foreward to EUII, good game

PS. My son wants Battle Realms for Xmas, anyone know anything about it or how good it is? tks

just some ideas mac

[ 20 December 2001: Message edited by: mac5732 ]

[Phoenix-D]

"Dracus: I just finished reading my latest PC Gamer Last night...Myth 3 got something like 50%. Purchase at your own risk."

They also gave give CivIII (which everyone here is bashing) a 92 (? anyway, 90s) score. Their main complaint with MythIII was bugs.

Phoenix-D

[Wardad]

[quote]Originally posted by Jourin:

EXTENSIVE user mods over next two years turned CTP I into a very good game. CTP II was a step backwards and again Activision refused to support the game, so I say stick with CTP I modded.
-------------------------------------------

Where do I find the CTP I and II user mods?

[ 20 December 2001: Message edited by: Wardad ]

[y.a.newbe]

for CTP (Call To Power) check out http://www.apolyton.net/ctp2/
IMHO the site really s***s but the stuff they provide is worth the trouble.

[Dracus]

I was going to buy real war, but then I heard it was crap also. It seems to me that lately the larger gaming companies are on the same page. They all produce half-done games and then provide no support.
I was really looking forward to more play with simcity 3000 but it was missing some things from 2000. very big let down, then I tryed CTP and found it less enjoyable then civ II so I was looking forward to Civ III to now hear it is messed up. Myth Sega is taken by bugs. Man where do I go now, am I to be reduced to having to dust off the old games in between seiv turns or maybe I could write one of my own.

[Baron Munchausen]

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,41282,00.html

Windows XP = Windows Exposed

Oh, yeah, I wanna have the very LATEST software and be up to date!

Think I'll stick with 98 and a decent third-party firewall, actually.

[Atrocities]

Thanks for the support on this guys. I thought I was going to get flamed on my opinion of Civ3.

What I liked about the game was the AI. It was very good when compared to CTP1 and II. I also liked the Diplomacy feature of this game, the tech tree was nice, and the sound was ok.

What I despised about Civ3 is a rather extensive list. One that I honestly don�t even want to get started on. I have cut my losses, and have uninstalled the game. I am out the 50 bucks, but at least I have a nice new coaster.

[Talenn]

I have Civ3 and so far, I'm not overly impressed. There are quite a few nice concepts in there, but the tedium and late game micro of EVERYTHING leave a bad taste. I cant believe they couldnt even implement some sort of a stack move...

There are quite a few things I do like, and crashwise, its been fine (only one so far in quite a few games).

All in all, it very much feels like an unfinished product. The fact that they had promised 'cool new multiplayer features' and then pulled multi altogether two weeks before release speaks volumes. The whole game has a 'shoddy' feel to it and its obvious that a lot of fine tuning in balance and feel just didnt get done.

Also, someone mentioned 'REAL WAR' down there? Dont bother...it is REALLY pathetic. Its just another 'build a ton of anything and throw it in the general direction of your enemy' type of RTS game. There is no resource management to speak of and the units are very generic. The unit pathing is dreadful. The game is not worth it even if you found it at 50% off IMO. Wait for the $10 bin and MAYBE its worth it for some of the cinematics...maybe.

For EU2, its pretty good. I sort of burned out on EU1 and 2 isnt so different that I'm totally engrossed, but its still a very strong title, especially with the latest and greatest patch (1.02). If you like any form of historically based TBS games, grab this one.

Just my $.02

Talenn

[Saxon]

I am just seconding Spyder’s request. Anyone got a link for Illwinter Dominions?

Someone has already bought me Civ III and it is in the mail. Sigh.

[Spyder]

Does anyone ever wish that they'd update and re-release The Perfect General?

I thought it was a great two-man game. You played the agressor and then the defender and tallyed the points to see who won. Each city or strategic point held counted points. The original game was limited to Armor & Artillery, but the second (which I never played) incorporated some more materiel.

Another game I wish that they'd update and re-release is Global Conquest. The game was done by Dan Bunten (before he became Dani Bunten) and was a great short-term 4x game. You could have up to 4 players; you had to discover resources, defend them and the cities (which were guarded by neutrals) and conduct exploration & war, while trying to maintain resources and funding. One of the very best options of Global Conquest was that you could set up the turn length to one of 4 methods: 1) Unlimited; 2) 5 minutes; 3) 1 minute; 4) Firecracker. Firecracker is the cutthroat setting On the Firecracker mode, when the first person hits his done button, ALL PLAYERS ARE DONE really evil I would make the game board octagonal and increase the number of players to 8 and make the game board a little larger to accomodate that.