Anomaly reports

[Richard_H]

General plea while I think of it:-

Could you please get rid of the commas in the descriptions of M10 Achilles, they play havoc with csv dumps! Units affected are:- Egypt 321, Israel 478, UK 220, Iran 415, Belgium 390 & 391, Denmark 5, Libya 6 & 55 and Kenya 7.

Thanks.

Richard H

[Richard_H]

The snipers - mercifully short!

Class 45 – Sniper

China 259, N.Korea 214, Czech 345 & 346 and Cambodia 216 are the only units to have 60 Weapon 1 rounds, all others have 50.

E.Germany 277 has 20 Weapon 2 rounds, all other solo snipers have 2.


Class 143 – Para Sniper

N.Korea 702 is the only unit to have 60 Weapon 1 rounds. 50 is standard, although a couple of heavy sniper teams have 40.

USMC 329 is the only unit to have a third weapon. May well have been a feature of the period.


Class 249 – Ranger Sniper

W.Germany 453 is the only unit that can swim. It appears that their Heavy Snipers in other classes (45, 143) can also swim.


Class 242 – Marine Sniper

Conversely, USMC 269 is the only unit that can not swim. It is also the only Heavy Sniper unit in the class.


Class 164 – Ski Sniper

Finland 136 & 137 are the only units that can swim (Finland has plenty of other ski snipers that cannot).


Class 147 – Commando Sniper

All have FC 10 except for S.Africa 504 & 509, and Indonesia 530 & 531. Indonesia has similar units with FC 10, S.Africa does not. May be a nation issue with S.Africa and a ‘give the customer choice’ thing with Indonesia. The same units are the only ones not to have Rangefinder 10.

The S.Africa units are also the only ones to have 8 Hand Grenades; all other units, whether Crew 1 or 2, have 2. Again, may be a nation thing.

Richard H

[Richard_H]

Ships - Part 1

Class 239 – Hovercraft

China 680 has Survivability 255, all others have 6.
Italy 237 has Vision 20, all others have 0. Possible, but when even the USMC doesn’t have it?
USA 186 is unarmed. Its USMC equivalent (also 186) has 2 m/g, as do Japan 290 & S.Korea 187. They do not appear to have different formational uses. USA 186 also has Crew 4, others have 8.


Classes 43, 46, 198 & 199 – LCS, LCG, Torpedo Boat, Patrol Boat.

Not worth going there, too much national variation.


Class 197 – Rivercraft

Generally as 198 & 199, but there are a couple of named craft here, which I presume are built to a formula, to whit the Zodiac and the Rigid Raider. It seems there were 2 basic marks of Rigid Raider, one with a capacity of 8 and the other with capacity of 20.

Rigid Raider – Italy 250 has Size 1, all others 2.
UK 251 & Australia 344 are the only 2 with armour.
Other stats are pretty evenly split, so will leave alone.

Zodiac – all have Swim Speed 6 except Netherlands 274, which has 7.
Argentina 240 has Lift Capacity 110, others have either 13 or 113.


Class 42 – Assault Boat (Always Unit 246)

Netherlands is the only Size 2, others Size 1.
USMC, Ethiopia & Somalia have Radio% 90, others 0.
S.Africa has Load Cost 0, all others 1.

Richard H

[Richard_H]

Ships - Part 2

Class 41 – Landing Barge

Poland 752 has FC 100 (AA Radar), all others 0. This is not for an AA Gun, but for a weapon called ‘60mm OTO HVMS’, which is available here in 1/62. IIRC the main user of this weapon is Chile, which doesn’t have it until 1/84. That a Warpac nation would have it in 1/62 doesn’t stack up.

Poland 700 and Iraq 250 are amphibious – should they be in an Amphibian class?

Of those units (all in slot 247) called ‘Barge’:- Sweden has Crew 4, all others have 5; ARVN is the only armed version.

LCM (8) Mk.1 – Belgium 235 has different stats from all the others.
Israel 369 has Size 12, Netherlands 241 has 8, Greece 250 has 7, all others 9. The same units have Crew 5, all others 7. The same units have Swim Speeds 7-8, all others have 10.
Israel 369 has Lift Capacity 248, Netherlands 241 has 250, Greece 250 has 234, Chile 253 has 240, others have 254.

LCM Mk.6 – France 434 & Iran 184 have Size 12; USMC 191, Turkey 252 & Spain 231 Size 6, all others 9.
Israel 368, France 434, USA 184, USMC 191, Turkey 252 and Spain 231 have Crew 4, others have 7.
USMC 191 has Swim Speed 6, all others have 8.
USA 184 has Lift Capacity 175, others have 180 or 240.
France 434 has steel armour 5/3/3/6/4/4/0, HEAT armour 6/4/4/7/5/5/0, all others have 4/4/4/4/4/4/0, 6/6/6/6/6/6/0.

LCVP – remarkably consistent, which leads me to believe that anomalies need pointing up.
USA 254 has Size 12, all others 8.
USA 254 has Crew 4, Netherlands 240 & W.Germany 355 have 5, all others 7.
USA 254 has Lift Capacity 136, Netherlands 240 has 254, W.Germany 355 has 250, all others 236.

LST – similar to LCVP.
Russia 204 has Size 14, Ethiopia 251 has 12, UN 240 has 11, all others 10.
Ethiopia 251 has Crew 8, all others 12. It also has Swim Speed 10, all others 8; Steel HF 6 (all others 4) and HEAT Top 4 (most others 3).
UN 240 has HEAT Top 4, Peru 255 has 5 see above).

T-4 – Syria 250 has Size 12, all others 10. It also has armour 2/2/2/2/2/2/0, no HEAT (others have 4/4/4/4/4/4/3, 6/6/6/6/6/6/5.
Poland 184 & Syria 250 have Crew 4, others 8. They also have RoF 6, all others 9 (same Weapon 1).
Libya 250 has Swim Speed 8, all others 6.
Romania 184 & Bulgaria 184 have Lift Capacity 250, all others 230.
Poland 184 has HEAT Top 3, others 5.

I’m not going for any of the other named classes because there is so much variation in them, and I don’t have my reference works to hand.

Richard H

[Richard_H]

Scouts and Observers (mostly to do with grenade loadouts not matching the squad size)

Class 243 – Marine Forward Observer

USMC 221 have 12 hand grenades as weapon 2. After 1/60, they revert to 4 (2 each).


Class 241 – Marine Scouts

S.Korea 370/371/372 are the only ones who cannot swim. They are also the only units who have 80 weapon 1 rounds (others have 60, even with more crew).

S.Korea 370 & 371 have 5 Weapon 3 rounds (Crew is 4).

Poland 280/281/282/283 are some of the very few Scouts, particularly in specialist units such as Marines, who have Speed 6 – most have 7.


Class 234 – Guerilla Scout

Somalia 441 have 6 weapon 2 rounds, with 4 crew (others have 2 each).


Class 229 – Para Observer

W.Germany 378 & 379 are Size 1, even though Crew 2.

France 630/631/632/633 have 9 (Weapon 2) Hand Grenades, between 2 Crew.


Class 228 – COIN Scouts

Rhodesia 220 is the only unit with Speed 6, all others have 7.

Nicaragua 395 is the only unit that can swim. Other Nicaragua COIN Scouts cannot.


Class 168 – Ski Scouts

Norway 308/309/310/311 and Sweden 140/141/142/143 are the only units with Speed 6, others have 7.

Sweden 143 has 8 (Weapon 3) hand grenades, with 5 Crew (others have 10).


Class 101 – Paratroop Scouts

ARVN 502, Belgium 563 & 564 have Speed 6. All others (apart from 8-man units) have 7.

E.Germany 345 & 346 have 90 Weapon 1 rounds, Belgium 563 & 564 have 80, Romania 376 has 70 (Standard loadout for 3-4 man units is 60).

N.Korea 450 & 451 have 60 Weapon 2 rounds (standard loadout for a sniper rifle is 50).

Poland 390/391/392/393/394 have 4 Weapon 2 rounds (Hand Grenades for a 3-man team).

Belgium 564 has 18 Weapon 2 HE rounds (standard loadout is 14).

USA 100 has 7/1 Weapon 2 rounds (standard loadout is 14/2 for a 4-man unit).

Sweden 157 has 80 Weapon 3 rounds (standard loadout is 50).

Poland 393 & 394, and Romania 376 have 4 Weapon 3 (Hand Grenade) rounds in 3-man teams.

E.Germany 345 has 6 Weapon 3 (Hand Grenade) rounds in a 4-man team.

Richard H

[Richard_H]

Scouts and Observers - 2

Class 88 – Commando Scouts

Poland 289-294 have 4 crew, and 9 Weapon 2 (Hand Grenade) rounds.

NVA 270 has 9 crew, and 11 Weapon 2 (Hand Grenade) rounds.

ARVN 535 has 6 Weapon 2 (Hand Grenade) and 6 Weapon 3 rounds, with 4 crew.

Chile 395-398 and El Salvador 395 & 396 have 30 Weapon 2 rounds, standard loadout for Sniper Rifle is 50.

PLO 424 has 3 crew, and 5 Weapon 3 (Hand Grenade) rounds.


Class 82 – Patrol

N.Korea 609-615 have Crew 3, but Size 1.

USMC 400 is the only unit that can swim.


Class 81 – Mechanised Scouts

Czech 202 & 203 have 8 Weapon 2 (Hand Grenade) rounds, with crew 6.

Norway 207 has 10 Weapon 3 (Hand Grenade) rounds, with crew 8.


Class 80 – Partisan Scouts

Poland 893 has 6 Weapon 2 (Hand Grenade) rounds, and crew 4.

Richard H

[Richard_H]

Scouts and Observers - 3

Class 63 – Artillery Observer

Ecuador 400 has Size 9, Uruguay 400-404 have Size 1 (crews either 2 or 4).

Somalia has no observer (and no observer formation) after 12/90. They have artillery until 12/93.

Paraguay has no observers (?).

UK 327 & 333 have Speed 4 (thought it might be the GSR, but Unit 340 has Speed 6).

Denmark 383, 384 & 387 have Speed 5, other Danish (and most others, even with similar EW/Vision etc) have 6.

Norway 210-213 & 228, Denmark 385 & 386 have 5 Weapon 2 (Hand Grenade) rounds, with 2 crew.

France 594-597 have 9 Weapon 2 (Hand Grenade) rounds, with 2 crew.


Class 58 – Scouts

Jordan 550-553 have Speed 6, all others have 7.

Argentina 388 have 4 Weapon 2 (Hand Grenade) rounds, with 3 crew.

Kenya 450, 451, 453-455, 457-459 have 6 Weapon 2 (Hand Grenade) round, with 4 crew.

Czech 339 & 340, and Ethiopia 400 have 8 Weapon 2 (Hand Grenade) rounds, and 3 crew.

Pakistan 259-266 have 10 Weapon 2 (Hand Grenade) rounds, and 4 crew.

Romania 289 has 4 Weapon 3 (Hand Grenade) rounds, and 3 crew.

Australia 377 has 9 Weapon 3 (Hand Grenade) rounds, and 4 crew.

Richard H

[Richard_H]

SAMs

Class 16 – Area SAM

Amoun – Egypt 297 has Size 6, Crew 3, Gulf 269 has 4/4. They should maybe be similar to the Aspide (3 & 4).

Aster 30 – France 448 has different stats from the others, and should probably be renamed ‘Aster 15’.

HQ-2 – Thailand 285 has Weight 10, others have 15.

I-Hawk – Jordan 331 has Crew 6, Sweden 379-381 have 5, others have 3.

Nike Hercules – Norway 39 has Crew 10, others have 3. It also has RoF 3 (others have 1) and 3 missiles (others have 2).

Patriot – Saudi 268 has Crew 3, others have 2.
W.Germany 185 has 3 missiles, others have 4.

Rapier – Switzerland 231, 908 & 909 have Size 3, others have 2. They also have Crew 10, others have 5.
Iran 501, Australia 328 & 329 have Weight 10, others have 5.

Roland – Argentina 571 & 572 have Survivability 3, others have 0. They also have 4 missiles (others have 10).

SA-2 – Egypt 294 has Size 6, others have 2. AFAIK the Tayir es-Sabah is just a reverse-engineered version.
Egypt 294 has Weight 15, N.Korea 580 has 100, all others have 10.
Egypt 294 & Bulgaria 44 have RoF 2, others have 1.
Egypt 294 & Somalia 570 have 2 missiles, others have 1.

SA-3 Goa (Neva) – N.Korea 581 has Weight 100, others have 15.
Czech 48 has 2 missiles, others have 4.

SA-5 Gammon – Poland 76 has Size 2, others have 5.

SA-10 (S-300) – Iran 503, China 586, Czech 95, Yugoslavia 449, Red 272, Cyprus 111, Slovakia 121 & Ukraine 296 have Crew 10, all others 8. The same units have Survivability 0, others have 6.
Czech 95 has Speed 21, all others 20.

Skyguard Aspide – Spain 165 is armoured, others are not.

Tigercat – India 235 has Weight 10, others have 5.


Class 29 – Infantry SAM

Belgium 45 & 460 – do these belong here, or rather in one of the MG classes (176 & 193 are not used by Belgium).

Denmark 79 & 80, Cyprus 116, Finland 204-208 and Bulgaria 83-86 all have Crew 2, and Size 1. All other 2-crew units have Size 0.

PLO 145 & 146, Chile 466 & 467, Finland 207 and Bulgaria 83 & 84 have Load Cost 1. All other 2-crew units have Load Cost 0.

Ukraine 409-413 have Crew 1. May be a national thing, but all similar units have minimum Crew 2.

Blowpipe – UK 438, Canada 209 & 211 have Crew 3, all others have 2. However, they also carry 5 missiles as opposed to the others’ 4, so may be a national thing. Javelin teams (UK 439, Canada 210) are similar. If they are changed, Weapon 3 (Hand Grenade) rounds would also require changing.
Portugal 360 has Speed 4, all others have 6.
Canada 209 & 211 have RoF 4, all others have 3.

Gimlet – Bulgaria 86 has 3 Weapon 1 rounds, all others have 4.

HN-5 – Iran 212 has Crew 3, others have 2.

Igla – Jordan 390 & S.Korea 567 have RoF 3, Gulf 182 & 183 have 4, others have 6.

Mistral – S.Korea 568, Spain 456, Green 111 & Brazil 111 have Speed 6, others have 4.
Italy 464 has RoF 4, others have 3.
France 550 & Belgium 46 carry 3 missiles, others have 4.

RBS-70 – Finland 207 has Crew 2, all others have 4.
Iran 214 & Green 110 have 6 Weapon 1 rounds, all others have 4.

Redeye – Turkey 237 & Iran 210 have Crew 3, others have 2.
USMC 79 has RoF 4, others 3.

SA-7 Grail (Strela 2) – Iran 211, Iraq 385, Cuba 110, Cambodia 295, Chad 155 & Uruguay 80 have Crew 3, others have 2.
Gulf 180 has RoF 4, others have 6.
Iraq 385, Uruguay 80 and Bulgaria 83 & 84 carry 3 missiles, others have 4.

SA-14 Gremlin (Strela 3) – Iraq 386, Yugoslavia 435, Bosnia 434 & Croatia 435 have Crew 3, others have 2.
Gulf 181 has RoF 4, Jordan 389 has 3, others have 6.
Iraq 386 & Bulgaria 85 have 3 missiles, others have 4.

Starstreak – As with Blowpipe, UK 440 & 441 have Crew 3, S.Africa 128 & Malaysia 109 have 2. However, this time there is no difference in the missile load.

Stinger – Turkey 238 & 239, and Greece 274 have RoF 3, Angola 118 has 6, others have 4.


Class 30 – SP SAM

AMX-30 Roland – Jordan 337 has Speed 21, all others 23.
Spain 150 & 151 have Survivability 3, all others 4.
Iraq 379 has Load Cost 22, Spain 150 & 151 have 23, all others 32.
France 466 has Vision 0, even though it’s the most modern version.

Anza Car – Pakistan 222 has Size 2, Malaysia 113 has Size 4.

Avenger HMMWV – Taiwan 52 has Crew 4, others have 2 or 3.

Cactus – S.Africa 583 has Weight 10, Chile 455 & Green 555 have 0.

Crotale – France 58 & Chad 570 have Survivability 2, others have 4.
Egypt 232, France 58, Gulf 260, Libya 557, Chad 570 and Saudi Arabia 261 & 262 have Weight 0.

Crotale NG – France 559 has Swim Speed 2, Chad 571 has 4.

HN-5 Truck – China 515 has Swim Speed 0, Pakistan 220 has 4. 0 looks more appropriate. China has Survivability 3, Pakistan 0. China has EW 0, Pakistan 1.

M48 Chaparral – Egypt 233, Afghanistan 506 & Ecuador 440 have Speed 18, all others have 20.
Survivability is mixed. A slight majority have 4, but Egypt 233 and Afghanistan 506 have 5, USA 207 & Portugal 50 have 3.
Israel 100 & 101 have Steel TS armour 1, others have 2.
Egypt 233 has Steel Top armour 0, others have 1.

SA-4 Ganef (Krug) – E.Germany 49 has no armour, others have 1/1/1/1/1/1/1.
Russia 292 & 924 have Speed 16, others 6. They also have Weight 45 & 99 respectively, all others 28.

SA-6 Gainful (Kub) – Cuba 238 has Size 2, all others 4.
Egypt 280, Bulgaria 47 & Tanzania 211 have Speed 6, all others 16.
Czech 44 has Crew 3, others 10.
Cuba 238 has Load Cost 0, Poland 50 & 563 and Czech 44 have 20, Russia 283 & 613 have 99, all others 15.
Hungary 50 has RoF 9, all others 3.

SA-8 Gecko (Osa) – Greece 77, Cuba 237, Bosnia 454, Croatia 455 and Chad 569 have Speed/Swim Speed 15/1, all others have 27/3.
Jordan 335 has Survivability 3, Angola 212 has 4, all others have 5.

Strela 1 – E.Germany 46, Romania 45, Libya 555, Yugoslavia 454 & S.Africa 585 have Speed 36, Czech 45 has 33, others have 32. S.Africa 585 also has Swim Speed 4, Czech 45 has 3, others 2.

SA-11 Gadfly (Buk) – Yugoslavia 455 has Crew 4, all others 10.
Yugoslavia 455, Red 527 & Ukraine 289 have Speed 6, Finland 561 has 16, Russia 289 & 612 have 18. Some authorities give 50 kph, others 65.
The Russian units have Survivability 3, the others 0.
Load Cost is 99 for the Russians, 22 for Yugoslavia, 15 for the rest.

Strela 10 – Russia 428, E.Germany 45, Czech 46, Libya 556 & Yugoslavia 456 have Speed 22, others 20. The last 4 also have Survivability 3, others 4.

Tor M1 – Iran 506 has Armour 2/2/1/3/1/1/1, others have 3/2/1/3/2/1/1.
Yugoslavia 457 has Speed 20, others 22. It also has Survivability 3 (others 4), Load Cost 24 (others 20), and Armour 2/1/1/2/1/1/1 (see above).

Richard H

[Pibwl]

Originally Posted by Richard_H

Class 180 – Artillery Prime Mover

BTR-50PK - Egypt 581 has Lift Capacity 116, others have 118.

In fact, all carried 20 soldiers - the same for BTR-50 as APC.

Originally Posted by Richard_H

Komsolets - Poland 542, Russia 552, Czech 542, Hungary 542 – small point, but could the name be changed to ‘Komsomolets’ please? Czech 542 has Lift Capacity 116, others have 115.

This unit needs reworking. Komsomolets was a small pre-WW2 armoured tractor with capacity of 106 (max 107, including a commander) - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Komsomo...rmored_tractor . Few survived the war and were very unlikely exported. An exception was Finnish army, which carefully maintained their captured Komsomolets' until 1961 (BTW, Finland hasn't one in the game and it's worth to add one; but size should be 3).

In all other countries including Russia they should be replaced with something else, for example Ya-12 tractor (in Poland, Hungary, Czechoslovakia spelled Ja-12) - http://forum.valka.cz/viewtopic.php/t/17698, especially, that data don't fit to Komsomolets. We even have a picture of Ya-12 - 29395. Data could be similar, but speed was up to 38 km/h (12-13)
Hungary and Czechoslovakia used also several types of ex-German SdKfz tractors.

Originally Posted by Richard_H

MT-LB.
Poland 63, Iraq 541, E.Germany 591, Cuba 551, Angola 551, Sudan 546, N.Yemen 546 and Tanzania 551 have Crew 4, others have 2. I believe 2 is correct.

Russia 551, Iraq 541, Cuba 551, Angola 551, Sudan 546, N.Yemen 546, Ukraine 551 and Tanzania 551 have no Swim Speed, others have 2.

Right, it should have crew of 2 and be able to swim 6 km/h. On the other hand, it carried only 11 soldiers (in Russian OOB it has 112, I don't know how with others).

Michal

[Pibwl]

Originally Posted by Richard_H

Unit Class 33 – Light Amphibian

Russia 185, Hungary 235 and Bulgaria 251 have 24, Red 240 has 14, all other ZiS/Zil-485s have Speed 20. The same culprits have Swim Speed 5 (All others have 3), Survivability 0 (Others have 4), Lift Capacity 25 (Others have 125). NB Cambodia 561 in Class 34 has the same anomalies.

This vehicle had an Army designation BAV, and it should be added to the name. Better name in my opinion is just ZiS-485 BAV (or final designation ZiL-485 BAV), without artificial "ZiS/Zil". Anyway, correct picture is 29202 or probably 53502 (current is DUKW). Lift Capacity should be 125, since it had a rear ramp (unlike DUKW). Real speed was 65 km/h (22) an 10 km/h on water (3-4).

Originally Posted by Richard_H

K61 – Indonesia 50 has Crew 2, all others 3, and has different armour stats from all others (IIRC it’s actually unarmoured, but that may make it too vulnerable?). Croatia 541 & Indonesia 50 have Lift Capacity 250, others 150.

Original name is written in Russian sources "K-61". It wasn't armoured at all (especially Indonesian one would sink with such armour, and sure wouldn't be able to carry anything). Speed was only 36 km/h (12, now: 18), and on water - 10 km/h. It could carry in fact 40 soldiers or a gun or a truck (capacity up to 5 ton on water, less on land). Crew should be 2 (I've even climbed upon one in a museum this summer and took a photo of two crew seats...)

By the way, speed of PTS-M was only 42 km/h and 10 km/h on water - in the game it is faster. Capacity 10 ton on water, on land - half.

Regards,
Michal