Multi-Heroes? - Page 3

Lingchih · #21 October 25th, 2008, 10:23 PM

Does Pangaea seem to get their heroes quite often? Even if you take misfortune scales? Granted, I've played Pan perhaps a third of all the Dom games I have played, so I may be biased, but I seem to always get two or even three of the heroes. And two of them (The Black Bull and the Harpy Queen) are pretty nice heroes.

Gandalf Parker · #22 October 25th, 2008, 10:33 PM

I get them often with Pangaea but Ive only rarely played with high misfortune. I play mostly with low Order and Productivity with Pangaea.

Lingchih · #23 October 25th, 2008, 10:37 PM

Really? I've played them with misfortune many times (I often play LA Pan), and still seem to get the heroes every game. Odd.

Stavis_L · #24 October 27th, 2008, 09:16 AM

So...are people in this thread indicating that they get multi-heroes in NON-"worthy heroes" modded games (other than the two particular ages of Pythium/Eiru referenced above)? Should I trust the DomDB info, or is there another source?

Color me confused

thejeff · #25 October 27th, 2008, 09:53 AM

I think there's been a lot of blurring in this thread between getting multi-heroes and regular heroes.
I don't think anyone's been clear on having more than one multi-hero at the same time. I don't think I have, but I don't play most of those nations often. Man sometimes, but I don't remember seeing one Knight of the Stone, much less several.
Worthy Heroes shouldn't change the mechanics of heroes, just adding and changing the heroes themselves, so if people have had several multi-heroes there it should work in the base game too.

Looking at Edi's DB I see the following:
Bogarus -- Bogatyr - Multihero
Man -- Knight of the Stone (nonunique?)
Pythium -- Master of the Games (nonunique?)
Ulm LA -- Member of the Third Tier (Not marked as such, but name given as *?)

I'm not sure where you're seeing Eriu.
Knights of the Stone may be MA & LA. As may be Masters of the Games.

The DB doesn't seem to have standardized notation for heroes & multi-heroes so I could be missing something.

Stavis_L · #26 October 27th, 2008, 01:01 PM

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Originally Posted by thejeff

Looking at Edi's DB I see the following:
Bogarus -- Bogatyr - Multihero
Man -- Knight of the Stone (nonunique?)
Pythium -- Master of the Games (nonunique?)
Ulm LA -- Member of the Third Tier (Not marked as such, but name given as *?)

I'm not sure where you're seeing Eriu.
Knights of the Stone may be MA & LA. As may be Masters of the Games.

The DB doesn't seem to have standardized notation for heroes & multi-heroes so I could be missing something.

As per Edratman's post above I went to the "ArmyList" tab of the spreadsheet. Then I just searched for "multi". The only hits are for Pythium - Emerald Empire (nation 29) with "Master of the Games" and for Eiru - Last of the Tuatha (nation 69) with "Fianna". I don't see like entries for Man, Ulm, or Bogarus at all. Where are you looking?

thejeff · #27 October 27th, 2008, 01:21 PM

I looked in the "AllUnits" tab.
Looking in the Army List, there are definitely heroes missing. Many only seem to be listed for one age, some are missing entirely.

But there are some, like the Fianna, not listed as heroes in AllUnits either.

So to answer your earlier question, you shouldn't trust the DB for heroes, but I don't know of another source.

Edratman · #28 October 27th, 2008, 05:20 PM

Stavis,

I just checked the data base and I see that it is not complete on heroes as you have stated. My bad.

I concur with Thejeff, there is not a better listing anywhere.

Sorry for the misleading information.

Edi · #29 October 27th, 2008, 05:43 PM

The DB Credits & Notes page does note that the hero listing is incomplete, because otherwise it'd have taken forever to get the 3.20 version out. The next version will take even longer, because there will be, thanks to lch, some previously unknown information included both for units and items.

ryo_akashi · #30 October 27th, 2008, 06:35 PM

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Originally Posted by thejeff

I looked in the "AllUnits" tab.
So to answer your earlier question, you shouldn't trust the DB for heroes, but I don't know of another source.

Check the Allview map inside the Debug mod. I try to put all the heroes under one province (5) but I do not guarantee that the heroes are complete or enabled in the game.