Trample balance discussion - Page 3

Zeldor · #21 October 2nd, 2008, 02:20 PM

Xietor:

Yeah, and I play with LA Agartha. Some people try to play with Marverni or MA Agartha. They have no elephants. They sacreds are a joke. They have no cheap infantry to expand. Their crossbowmen have lame precision and need flaming arrows to be effective. And they all get owned by elephants.

Xietor · #22 October 2nd, 2008, 03:48 PM

Bandar Log does not have good national troops?

Are you mad? Or have you just never played Bandar Log? Do you know what a Mandaha is? It is one of the best summons in the game. I have spent 100s gems wishing for them before. And they have many many other less expensive but very good national summons.

I would check out Baalz guide to Bandar Log as he touches on most of them.

HoneyBadger · #23 October 2nd, 2008, 04:48 PM

Six sizes just aren't enough.

Agema: you're missing the point that the Sphinx in the game *is* just a statue. That's why it can't move. If it was a lion with wings, then yes, winged-lion-size all the way.

Golems should really just be human-sized, maybe size 3 at the most--if you're basing them on the Golem of Prague. The other critters mentioned, Dragons and Juggernauts, really should be as large as an elephant. 1: because Dragons *carried off and ate* elephants-so did Rocs, only Rocs did it in the AIR. And making the Juggernaut anything less than size 6 kindof seems anticlimactic. Even the guy who played him in the X-men movie was about a size 4 or so

And Jesus *was* a hundred feet tall, haven't you ever read the Bible???

And the Ancient Kraken, beloved though he is by me, could use a makeover. It's a fun graphic, but it's starting to show it's age-as in, it would go great as a Pretender for a "Plan 9 from Outer Space" Nation.

Sombre · #24 October 2nd, 2008, 05:11 PM

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Originally Posted by Xietor

Are you mad? Or have you just never played Bandar Log? Do you know what a Mandaha is? It is one of the best summons in the game. I have spent 100s gems wishing for them before. And they have many many other less expensive but very good national summons.

I would check out Baalz guide to Bandar Log as he touches on most of them.

That's a national summon and a commander/mage/SC, not a troop by any definition. As for the troop summons, you even refer to them in the post I quote as national summons.

If you aren't claiming that BL's recruitable troops are strong then I'm not disagreeing with you. No need to act like an *******.

Xietor · #25 October 2nd, 2008, 05:16 PM

Oh sorry then, we are talking 2 different things. They have very powerful national summons.

Their castle bought troops are good as well. their sacreds put heart companions to shame. And cost less gold and resources. And bandar log gets 80 free design points(2 heat).

My only point, perhaps poorly made, is a nerf to elephants would imo adversely affect arcos the most.

lch · #26 October 2nd, 2008, 05:17 PM

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Originally Posted by llamabeast

Hell, I could go on listing animals they're bigger than. They're definitely pretty big.

For example bats and south american mammals. I'm pretty sure you know a couple.

Sombre · #27 October 2nd, 2008, 05:26 PM

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Originally Posted by Xietor

There castle bought troops are good as well. their sacreds put heart companions to shame.

You've said a couple of times how bad they are.

But I remember you saying a while back that MA Arco was one of the better nations precisely because they have heart companions.

Have you just changed your mind, or am I misremembering?

Xietor · #28 October 2nd, 2008, 05:51 PM

I think i once said Heart Companions can be good with an f9e4 bless. And if they got design points like Bandar Log or caelum, perhaps arcos could afford a bless. But they cant.

That conversation was in the context of what could kill vans prenerf. and people were throwing out various ideas. Heart Companions with a bless was mine. If I am not mistaken Tuidy, who never lets anything lie without a test, proved me wrong. And they turned out to be inferior even with a f9e4 bless. Shrug.

JimMorrison · #29 October 2nd, 2008, 06:39 PM

LOUD NOISES!

I agree that 6 sizes are a bit restrictive in gradation. Though it does seem as if the best way to tune the power of recruitable tramplers, is a size reduction of any trampler that is size 6 currently, down to size 5. Also, perhaps a small increase in resource cost, to slow down availability.

Though ultimately, I think the main problem is just Hinnom. They simply have so many strengths, that the chariots really stick out as unnecessary in general.

Gandalf Parker · #30 October 2nd, 2008, 07:24 PM

Why is six sizes too restrictive? Its not as if a slight difference in size will allow one unit to trample the other. There has to be a really large difference. Any size can have many units of many different sizes but for trample the only thing that needs to be reflected by two sizes in Dom is a really large difference. Trample isnt the same as just being able to roll over a creature.