VOTD-Still like it

[Renojustin]

Kuritza said:
My, oh my. Arent we so very smart and ironic.

They will need to *use penetration items*. The unthinkable. What was I thinking about?! To kill a SC with items you need to *use penetration items*, as if a strain of researching a Tau 4 spell was not unbearable enough.
They may not even kill him with a first spell! Damn, horrible news. They may need to *spam* a spell that costs 3 (three!!!) astral pearls!
And, indeed, budget thugs can quite easily take on Ermor/Rlyeh hordes. Everyone knows that LA Rlyeh doesnt have paralyze-spammers, aha. And Ermor... Heck, bane lords are his downfall indeed.

And, heck, Jim, you're a GODDAMN GENIUS and you have read my mind! Yes, I have an absolutely unkillable pretender God that leaves a trail of gore and whatnot, and no its absolutely impossible to paralyze him or send some thugs with high def and eye shields or mind hunt him (heck, you'd have to research more for that, and then I can counter it in some way, no we cant accept that, no way sir), and you couldnt even cast blindness or life drain or petrify on him, no, its NOT RELIABLE ENOUGH! There should be something that is 100% guaranteed to work. Something that finds him everywhere and requires but one failed MR check, before some nasty and imbalanced spells like antimagic or iron will can buff it. And... yes! VotD, the ultimate perfect tool that will kill him via turn limit.
Now I see the truth in your words.

Thank you, Jim, you had to.

Pure awesome.

[Kuritza]

Sombre said:
Even if you were making the best point about VoTD ever made when you respond like that no-one wants to listen to you. Besides I remember from your last rant about this that whenever anyone questions what you're saying you switch up the scenario.

It is true that VoTD is particularly nasty in the hands of LA Ermor and LA Rlyeh, but the reason for this is the larger issue of their freespawn and overall power.

I was merely replying to Jim's mockery. Maybe I'm easily offended, but my previous post wasnt 'like that', yet no-one listeted.
And, sorry, could you specify what do you remember about my last rant? When did I 'switch up the scenario whenever anyone questioned what I said'? There was just one occasion when I ranted about VotD. In that case, my Caelum was invaded by MA Ermor with dual-blessed shadow vestals. I responded with my SC God, who, despite being in his own dominion in a rainbow armor and antimagic amulet, failed his second MR check and was killed by the chaff AFTER they had their autorout. Thats what I said, and thats what I can repeat. Now if you can prove your accusation, please do it.

[chrispedersen]

Jim & Kurita:

In my opinion, the points you both made were diminished by the mockery of other people.

I like Votd.

I played Marignon when attacked by MA Ermor. In this game the Ermorian player had done everything possible to maiximize unit production.

Priests and mages spamming fire clouds was my answer, not introducing my pretender into the fight. I think SC's are the easier answer to coordinate - but they are not the only answer. All the races (except hinnom <wink> juries still out on that one) have weaknesses.

I imagine a bunch of mammoths would have worked too.

[Xietor]

For the middle age, which is the age i play exclusively(except Big Games), the only downside is that 2 of the nations with the easiest access to VOTD are also already 2 of the 3 most powerful, Ermor and Ryleh.

But I guess there is no help for it. It would be hard thematically to make it a nature spell. heh.

[Kuritza]

chrispedersen said:In this game the Ermorian player had done everything possible to maiximize unit production.
I imagine a bunch of mammoths would have worked too.

He didnt maximise unit production, he produced astral 9/fire 9 shadow vestals. Mammoths were absolutely useless, and thunderstrikes were hitting infantry and skellies. Iceclads were as useless as ever, too.

I have won that conflict after my God fell, so in a way, you're right. But that's only because I wasnt his first target... I had living clouds, storm and Sea King's court. But were it within the first 20 turns, I would be dead meat, not even a chance.
So I dont see why should there be a spell that kills SC Gods without a chance to counter it somehow. SC Gods are your defense against double-bless rushes (or LA Ermor & Rlyeh, who are powerful enough anyway). VotD is an *overland* 4-lvl spell that makes your SC God obsolete. Where, I daresay, is an overland 4-lvl spell that makes obsolete freespawn hordes and double-blessed sacred troops?

[MaxWilson]

Kuritza said:

I was merely replying to Jim's mockery. Maybe I'm easily offended, but my previous post wasnt 'like that', yet no-one listeted.

I'm not sure what "listeted" is a typo for, but it's possible no one made a fuss about Jim's hyperbole because they were ignoring it. Not reacting to a post is not necessarily an endorsement of its reasoning.

-Max

[JimMorrison]

Mockery is a very strong word. Maybe I take offense to that portrayal?

I can be a sarcastic son of a ***** at times. Somehow I imagined that putting it in italics, and then saying "sorry" afterwards, and putting the little heart, might express the fact that I didn't mean anything by it.

Just about my only experience with VoTD is it getting resisted by the enemy. Though your effuse denouncement of me did highlight one thing - that there are always options. When those options become less attractive, due to your opponent's arrangement of circumstance, then you tend to lose. If you succeed in finding a successful combination of tactics despite your enemy's best efforts, then you tend to win.

Honestly, if you are basing all of this ire off of the results of one war, then the only assumption that can be made is that you got outplayed, and the only way to insure it doesn't happen again, is to take a harder look at what you can sacrifice for what you can gain. *****ing on the forums about it, and getting all emotional when someone lightheartedly teases you, is not going to bring back your SC, or bring you any closer to victory in the next engagement.

[Kuritza]

Jim, had you read what I wrote next, you'd know that I've won that war.
But I still cant find ANY reason why there should be a bugged lvl4 fire-and-forget spell that is impossible to defend from.

[Tifone]

You are not saying the truth, mister Morrison

Look

� � �<3� � �<-clearly lips in kissing position. The Kiss of Death to be more smart. This is far worst then mocking! Run for your life Kuritza! The long hand of the Mafia is already chasing you! "Don Jim non perdona"!!

[Tifone]

Kuritza said:
But I still cant find ANY reason why there should be a bugged lvl4 fire-and-forget spell that is impossible to defend from.

IMHO? Because this is a game of tactics and counters, sometimes some tactic is somewhat unbalanced, sometimes the counter, if your enemies does a good use of those, you are outplayed, period.
And I assure you I love SCs, which other game gives you the flavour of having a giant undead bat****crazy god bashing my enemies??
Still, as it has mainly as target the SCs, as it will be used on them and it can't be delayed with "chaff commanders", maybe it could be a little more costly, or at lvl 5 or 6, but those r just ideas. The spell is good and nice and works as intended, i am pretty sure about it