How does the maker of ruins kill? - Page 3

thejeff · #21 March 29th, 2008, 12:10 AM

Just tried it with the Cyclops you suggested.

Without the Black Steel gear, the Bracers take him from 30 to 31. Black Steel Full Plate takes him to 36, the Bracers add nothing.

That, I assume, is due to the usual calculation of actual protection based on natural and armor.

If there's something else going on there, I don't see it.

lch · #22 March 29th, 2008, 12:33 AM

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thejeff said:
Just tried it with the Cyclops you suggested.

Without the Black Steel gear, the Bracers take him from 30 to 31. Black Steel Full Plate takes him to 36, the Bracers add nothing.

It doesn't work with the cyclops. But there is definitely something odd about it. Put it on a prophetized Commander of Ulm for better results. Looks like he's getting his bless bonus twice. Bug? I suspect it works like the following: Earth bless gives +4 prot to every piece of armor that a unit is wearing, i.e. helmet and body armor. The bracer of protection counts as 2 prot for head and body, and because the game considers it as armor, this is boosted to 6 each from the bless. The funny part: Contrary to most magic items, Bracers of protection stack. So if you give your earth blessed prophet two of them, he gets +12/+12 prot. Probably even more if he had more misc slots...

thejeff · #23 March 29th, 2008, 08:38 AM

I knew about the Earth bless bug. Actually thought it was in the bug list. I know it's been talked about here before.
That didn't seem to be what HoneyBadger was talking about.

2 of them shouldn't stack though.

Kristoffer O · #24 March 29th, 2008, 11:55 AM

> The funny part: Contrary to most magic items, Bracers of protection stack. So if you give your earth blessed prophet two of them, he gets +12/+12 prot. Probably even more if he had more misc slots...

They do? Would that make a skull necklace and two bracers stack as well?

calmon · #25 March 29th, 2008, 12:06 PM

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Kristoffer O said:
> The funny part: Contrary to most magic items, Bracers of protection stack. So if you give your earth blessed prophet two of them, he gets +12/+12 prot. Probably even more if he had more misc slots...

They do? Would that make a skull necklace and two bracers stack as well?

It stacks with flame helmet. So you got +2/+2/+5 from the items and +4/+4/+4 from the bless. In sum +21 Protection with this 3 items.
Not sure what do you mean with skull neckless?

Never saw a bug here which give me the bless bonus twice on each item.

Edi · #26 March 29th, 2008, 01:15 PM

The skull necklace armor gives +10/+10 prot because it's not specified as helmet, body or shield.

HoneyBadger · #27 March 29th, 2008, 05:58 PM

Oh yeah, you're right, Cyclops doesn't work. It was the Agarthan middle era sacred captain that I was first using them on, and someone had mentioned that they'd gained "Cyclops-level" protection. Too bad they don't work on Cyclops though.

Why do the SC Pretenders get so little love?

Tuidjy · #28 March 29th, 2008, 06:08 PM

Skull necklace armour? Wow! Four years of Dominions, and I have never heard of
it. Is it something you wish for?

Edi · #29 March 29th, 2008, 06:16 PM

No. It's not an item, it's an armor type (like Plate Hauberk or Full Helmet etc) that some creatures have. The EA T'ien Ch'i summon Demon of Heavenly Rivers, for example. The armor gives 10 protection to both body and head the same way the Bracers of Protection do.

OmikronWarrior · #30 March 29th, 2008, 06:23 PM

I believe one of the four armed Pretender chasis (the one with fear and blood magic whose name I cannot recall) comes with it as well. I assumed it was just an odd type of chest armor, though, and not a miscellaneous item that boosted protection across the board.