Ulm - what items do you build w/Smiths? - Page 3

Sombre · #21 November 9th, 2007, 03:34 PM

I don't think he needs anyone to respond, he'll just keep talking to himself, though ignore function sounds pretty good if he's going to do so off-topic in lots of threads.

Baalz · #22 November 9th, 2007, 03:34 PM

Regular golems are pretty vulnerable to mind duels, in MP its often pretty tough to use them against real armies as if nothing else your opponent probably has lizard shamen somewhere and for a couple hundred gold and a few pearls your 50+ gems worth of golem and equipment has a pretty good chance of going poof round one. Very good for raiding though, particularly against nations with no national astral mages.

Poison golems though, there is no easy way to stop other than the usual SC counters.

DigitalSin · #23 November 9th, 2007, 04:38 PM

Yeah, the ignore button works like a charm

Lord_Bob · #24 November 9th, 2007, 05:27 PM

Fleeing the field after refusing to actually answer any of my points doesn't actually make me feel bad. I've more than gotten use to the know-it-all super-vain yet completely and utterly conventional attitude of many Western Europeans. Do you also think it is "oh-so-bold" to dislike America? Not saying your wrong, but does it get any more conventional than that? Baalz didn't even make ONE SINGLE POST about why I was actually wrong. Pretend to be superior, and who knows, maybe the poor fool will believe you. Or maybe not.

And being offended isn't going to make me say I'm sorry either. Patala is nerfed, and the only "help" you've given is to whine about valid problems.

Evilhomer · #25 November 9th, 2007, 05:32 PM

I do not know where your rant about Europeans, and about Europeans disliking americans came from. Baalz "Loc:Houston, Texas" makes me belive he is in fact an american himself.

archaeolept · #26 November 9th, 2007, 06:00 PM

I don't think lord bob started out as a troll, just highly opinionated and somewhat uninformed; however, all the argument has gotten him worked up and now he really is trolling. I would suggest to him that he take a breather. then play some real MP games to test his theories

empiricism FTW++

though i certainly agree Patela is underwhelming... but then again, "cold blooded" always makes me /shudder

jaif · #27 November 9th, 2007, 06:27 PM

Bob - seriously, no need to keep ranting. You made a point, many didn't believe you. Play the follow-on games, see what happens, have fun. But no need to troll here.

To throw this back on-track - anybody ever used the black lords as weak thugs?

-Jeff

KissBlade · #28 November 9th, 2007, 06:31 PM

Seconded the opinion. It's a shame too because Bob's posts does have qualities that dictate he does understand MP pretty well though possibly with slight biases.

Lord_Bob · #29 November 9th, 2007, 10:57 PM

Ok, here is some help. You know what unit you build at your capital turn 1 through 10? Flail troops+Smith. Nothing but.
Now, there are interesting possibilities with Indies, but don't build anything but Flails at your castle.

Then cast Strength of Giants on your flail troops. Have the discipline to give up territory if you must to keep your troops alive. Get that Strength of Giants! For the first few turns, you need to burn an earth gem to cast it. Great. Do that. With Strength of Giants 68 flail troops with light mage surport, and ABOVE ALL SERMON OF COURAGE, you can take on bless troops and rip them apart. Your GOLD VALUE in bless troops. I fought three times my gold value in Bless troops(22 White Tigers and 8 White Monkeys, Water and Earth Bless VERSUS 68 Flail Troops) and killed all the monkeys and five of the tigers before breaking. Your flail troops are heavily armoured and have high hitpoints. They will be making ALOT of morale rolls. It is NOT silly to get the Herald Lance if you can or the Horn of Valour. NOTHING IS PUT AHEAD OF STRENGTH OF GIANTS!

STRENGTH OF GIANTS!
STRENGTH OF GIANTS!
STRENGTH OF GIANTS!

Baalz · #30 November 10th, 2007, 10:22 AM

Quote:

jaif said:
To throw this back on-track - anybody ever used the black lords as weak thugs?

-Jeff

Yes, they can be effective under certain circumstances, but that low MR is a killer. Still, it doesn't take very much to let them solo a decent amount of PD - fire brand + barkskin amulet can often be enough. They can also add a whole lot of offense to your solid defensive lineup (3 or 4 with fire brands on the flanks while your infantry holds the line do pretty well). Just remember, no matter what you do they're gonna be fairly expendable....