Two Hundred Mines = Dead Fleet. How to Overcome? - Page 3

Spoo · #21 February 2nd, 2001, 06:51 PM

I think that the regeneration abilities of organic armor are cumulative. i.e. if you have one piece of organic armor III it will regenarate 30pts, but if you have 5 pieces of organic armor III it will regenerate 150pts and replace the piece that was destroyed by the mine.

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Assume you have a 1kg squirrel
E=mc^2
E=1kg(3x10^8m/s)^2=9x10^16J
which, if I'm not mistaken, is equivilent to roughly a 50 megaton nuclear bomb.
Fear the squirrel.

rdouglass · #22 February 2nd, 2001, 08:12 PM

Yeah, that's cool - but 50 mines!!! C'mon, that seems to be a huge "game balance" issue for organic tech. And when I have O Armor II (or I) the mines do cause damage. I am aware of the regen cababilities of O Armor (thats why I go Organic), but I say again - 50 mines??? all with Warhead III??? IIRC a warhead III does 300 damage and with 2 on each mine that is 600 per mine. Multiply by 50 mines and thats - what - 30,000 damage!!!!

It does sound to me like this totally negates any usefulness of mines toward organic empires. I think organic tech has enough advantages without being immune to mines.

Any other thoughts??? Is this a bug???

[This message has been edited by rdouglass (edited 02 February 2001).]

Tomgs · #23 February 2nd, 2001, 08:21 PM

Mines work one at a time. So if your ship can survive one mine with no damage it will survive 200 mines with no damage. Organic armor regenerates after each attack. Each warhead is calculated as one atack so if your ship can survive one warhead on one mine and not be damaged it will take out the whole group. This may not be realistic (and in large Groups organic armor seems to do a few weird things, like the regeneration effects from destroyed armor works just as well as the surviving armor as long as one piece of armor survives) but untill there are code changes or warheads do 10000 points of damage I don't see a way around it.

rdouglass · #24 February 2nd, 2001, 08:34 PM

I'll remember Never to play anything BUT organic when I start playing humans......

Sinapus · #25 February 2nd, 2001, 08:47 PM

Well, that depends. What's the max damage a piece of organic armor can survive and what's the damage a Mine Warhead III can inflict? Because -my- mines never have anything but warhead IIIs.

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KiloOhm · #26 February 2nd, 2001, 09:48 PM

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Originally posted by Tomgs:
Mines work one at a time. So if your ship can survive one mine with no damage it will survive 200 mines with no damage. Organic armor regenerates after each attack. Each warhead is calculated as one atack so if your ship can survive one warhead on one mine and not be damaged it will take out the whole group. This may not be realistic (and in large Groups organic armor seems to do a few weird things, like the regeneration effects from destroyed armor works just as well as the surviving armor as long as one piece of armor survives) but untill there are code changes or warheads do 10000 points of damage I don't see a way around it.

I've always wondered why people thought the regeneration of other damaged pieces was a bug. When I put on 4 pieces of any armor on my ship, I assume I'm not so much pasting 4 seperate pieces of armor on as I'm making the armor I have thicker, so I think the regen works the way it should since it's really one piece of armor. Just my thought on it.

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Regards,
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Atrocities · #27 February 3rd, 2001, 12:26 AM

Personally, if the planets are so heavily mined, and the player likes to build more mines during his turn, its near hopless. So, I simply blow up the systems Star, and be done with it. Then move in a planet maker and rebuild the star and planets. Colonize, and move onto the next system.

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Puke · #28 February 3rd, 2001, 12:29 AM

dont those mines count against the max unit limit?

Zanthis · #29 February 3rd, 2001, 12:41 AM

Puke wrote:

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dont those mines count against the max unit limit?

My understand is each grouping of mines counts as only one unit. So if they have 500 mines in a single group, that only counts as a single unit. If they have 50 Groups of 10 mines, it'd be 50 units.

This is one reason for the "Max # of units/space" setting being added in the next patch.

Tomgs · #30 February 3rd, 2001, 02:15 AM

quote:
Originally posted by KiloOhm:

I've always wondered why people thought the regeneration of other damaged pieces was a bug. When I put on 4 pieces of any armor on my ship, I assume I'm not so much pasting 4 seperate pieces of armor on as I'm making the armor I have thicker, so I think the regen works the way it should since it's really one piece of armor. Just my thought on it.

Well it might not be a bug but considering the way mines don't do damage to it and the ability to fly right through damaging wormholes that do more damage than one piece of armor can absorb it looks like a bug. It may be working as intended but it isn't working the way it should while interacting with the enviroment. The bug is in the mines but it only shows up because of the armor.