Coincidence ??

[General Woundwort]

Originally posted by oleg:
I find offensive your smirking about 10,000 to 13,000 murdered Iraqi civilians Last year.

I did not mean to offend, but consider this...

How many civilians have died in the liberation of Iraq

VS

How many Hussein and his psycho sons killed (Iraqi, Iranian, and Kuwaiti) in the Last 20-odd years.

Do the math.

[oleg]

Originally posted by General Woundwort:


How many civilians have died in the liberation of Iraq

VS

How many Hussein and his psycho sons killed (Iraqi, Iranian, and Kuwaiti) in the Last 20-odd years.

Do the math.

When Sadamm gased Kurds and Iranians, he was a "good guy", friend of Cheyney who supplied him chemicals. When Sadamm murdered shias, US army stayed 10 miles from Basra and did nothing. Just please don't tell this nonsense how you guys love Arabs !

[oleg]

My original question is moot now. AQ released a tape claiming authorship and mentioned the timing as a deliberate 911 day anniversary

[General Woundwort]

Originally posted by oleg:
When Sadamm gased Kurds and Iranians, he was a "good guy", friend of Cheyney who supplied him chemicals.

I don't consider the French, Germans and Russians (Hussein's chemical suppliers) as Cheney's friends...

When Sadamm murdered shias, US army stayed 10 miles from Basra and did nothing. Just please don't tell this nonsense how you guys love Arabs !

There I do fault the original Bush administration. We should have taken out the SOB in Gulf War I when we had the chance.

Final rant, then I bow out - I get frustrated at times when I see how people react to the US's use of force. Compare what the US is doing in Iraq and what Russia is doing in Chechnya, and tell me with a straight face that there's no difference in how the two sides treat civilians in a combat zone. Wars are a necessary evil in this life - that sixties stuff about international "peace, love and understanding" is bull****. There will always be human beings who want to kill and conquer other human beings - and the ONLY way to stop some of them is to "whack" them. That's a cold, hard fact of life, friend, and if you don't want to face up to it, I suggest you start brushing up on your Arabic...

EDIT - I'm not mad at you personally, just frustrated at your apparent idealism...

[ March 14, 2004, 11:23: Message edited by: General Woundwort ]

[Renegade 13]

Originally posted by General Woundwort:
There will always be human beings who want to kill and conquer other human beings - and the ONLY way to stop some of them is to "whack" them. That's a cold, hard fact of life, friend, and if you don't want to face up to it, I suggest you start brushing up on your Arabic...

So kill or be killed huh? And how would that make us any better than the terrorists? We have no right to kill people simply because we suspect them of being terrorists. Of course I am not privy to all the information the gov't has, only what the news media shows, which we all know is biased one way or another. But lets face it: going in and killing some terrorists will not stop them. It simply enrages other people in those nations, and inspires more terrorism, not less.

But of course my viewpoint is simply that: mine. Terrorism is a problem with no real solution. No matter what you do about it, whether you act, or do not act, the repercussions are most often bad.

Sometimes I sure am glad I live in Canada, which isn't exactly a high target on the terrorist's list. (at least I hope its not)

[oleg]

Originally posted by General Woundwort:
... EDIT - I'm not mad at you personally, just frustrated at your apparent idealism...

Well, I typed that post too fast and was not clear in what I want to say :

Invading Iraq did not resurect all those killed before. The Last documented atrocity by Sadamm was 12 years ago. These was no need either to invade to stop Sadamm attacking others - no country, not even Kuwait ask US to invade, they all were against it ! So yes, sadamm killed many more twenty years before but that does not justify killing thousands now just to get him to jail. Sadamm was contained, had no WMD whtsoever and no contacts with AQ or other terrorists. The war was completely unneccesary and,IMHO, against US interests. It divertred attention from the real problem - AQ and made things much worse.

[gregebowman]

Originally posted by primitive:
Greg
Get in touch with reality. Random acts of violence does not stop terrorism. It IS terrorism, and it BREEDS new terrorists. Fighting terrorist must be done with intelligence and well targeted actions, not with excess violence.
Whoever succeeds GWB (now or in 4 more years) already has plenty to worry about. The Iraq situation is not getting much better and Iraq may well become the next Afganisthan; a breeding ground for terrorists.

Maybe I was being a little dramatic as to what we need to do. But I'm sure the intelligence agencies of not only America but Europe have a good idea of where these terrorists are. I'd rather see us use a few MOAB bombs in that no-man's land in Pakistan than see more American soldiers at risk. I know in this election year, Bush would love to have Bin Laden handed to him on a silver platter before the elections. I'd just not have to have so many American lives attached to that platter. I'd rather see a dead Bin Laden than more caskets with American flags draped over them. We're getting enough of them killed in Iraq as it is.

[Atrocities]

I wonder if we will ever all just get along in life as friends and not enemies? Iraq should join the United States as the 51'st State.

[tesco samoa]

AT duck and cover now...

[Atrocities]

I am well armed, I fear no religious fanatic!