Noob LA Game: Cataclysm - And Begin! - Page 29

Illuminated One · #**281** August 26th, 2009, 08:36 AM

Nah, the Illwinter is not very powerful. It's annoying but imo Gift of Health or Well of Misery or for that matter Maelstrom is more dangerous.

edit: Oh, it does make everything a frozen wasteland? Lol, we didn't even notice that, there's still to much live here for our liking.

Alpine Joe · #**282** August 26th, 2009, 09:10 AM

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Originally Posted by Illuminated One

Nah, the Illwinter is not very powerful. It's annoying but imo Gift of Health or Well of Misery or for that matter Maelstrom is more dangerous.

edit: Oh, it does make everything a frozen wasteland? Lol, we didn't even notice that, there's still to much live here for our liking.

Yeah, illwinter wouldn't hurt you too much, but those of us without freespawn and heat preference are finding the 40 percent income reduction a little hard to deal with

Frozen Lama · #**283** August 26th, 2009, 08:07 PM

If i'd been attacked 10 turns or less after i put it up, i probably would have said "ok i deserved it," but when its 40 turns later, and most people are using summons/SC's instead of real armies, it's odd. This kind of thing happens, i know, and in a game with diplomacy, i guess everyone has to play the game, and you can't just enjoy fighting.

and as far as "blood in the water" goes- what? yeah, so they smelled the scent that if everyone attacks one guy, it will be easy? ok, that's dumb.

i realize that as much as i hate diplomacy, its part of the game, so mostly i'm just venting, nothing against you guys, but come on, this was really really gay.

illwinter is cast with the minimum slaves required, so if anyone is really annoyed by it, dispel it.

i won't quit, despite the pointlessness of continuing....

Fakeymcfake · #**284** August 26th, 2009, 09:31 PM

It might not be the most exciting or sportsmanlike method of playing, but everyone dog piling one guy is a common feature. Hell it happens in no diplo games if people are wise enough to pay attention to the charts, or just have really good scouting.

And honestly, I'm just really starting to notice the effects of Illwinter now. Took some time for it to really drain the heat scales out of everything. And, if you noticed, I attacked you as soon as I had Jomon out of the way, that was because of Illwinter... and I didn't want you to get cofortable with your lands you just took from Pan.

Oh and the last thing, with the summons and SCs, that's what the end game is like unless you're using mods to stop the endgame from being like that. Tartartians, demons, golems, remote summons, that's how it works, or at least that's how the opening shots work. The armies come after you've taken over the provinces to crack the castles.

And if you think you're completely defeated, go out in a blaze of glory. I've done that in several games where I picked one target and threw everything I had at them kamikaze style so that even though I was defeated I had completely crippled the guy in question and he was a pushover for the next guy. Hell, one time I completely tore down every castle I had, pillaged every province and killed off well over half the population in my remaining holdings, plus a few of his, before the end so that the lands that were mine were a wasteland.

So just because you're on the outs doesn't mean you're not still a player. You might not be able to win yourself but you can still stop someone else from winning.

Frozen Lama · #**285** August 26th, 2009, 10:56 PM

Like i said diplomacy is a fact. the difference between in no diplo games is that they only gang people who are clearly leaders, this game has 5 amazingly equal powers, Utgard was running away with it 50 turns ago, but now, utgard was equal with everyone else. a little more money, a little less gems.

illwinter made every single province cold-3, even in Mictlan and Gath's heat scale lands, about 10-15 turns ago.

and with the SC's that's my point- the income hit isn't an excuse when mostly gold doesn't matter anymore.

and i plan to go out in a blaze of glory.

Fakeymcfake · #**286** August 26th, 2009, 11:12 PM

Good man, stick it to those jerks, me included.

Oh, and cash still counts. Properly buffed basic troops are nightmarish, that and more gold income means more mages per turn.

Illuminated One · #**287** August 27th, 2009, 08:23 AM

Well, I can really understand Frozen Lama.
There's a difference between a dogpile against an overly strong nation and one that materializes after a player had some big defeat. And if I'm not missing anything this was only the second real war in this game.
But it's only a game and it's allowed, so what.

This turn gives me really a lot to think about, so if the game could be delayed for 24h that would be great.

[QUOUTE=Alpine Joe]Yeah, illwinter wouldn't hurt you too much, but those of us without freespawn and heat preference are finding the 40 percent income reduction a little hard to deal with[/quote]

Hmm, for Mari I can understand that, but for you?
With your little income and upkeepless blood summons I'd prefer anything that reduces income.

Alpine Joe · #**288** August 27th, 2009, 09:38 AM

Like frozen_Llama said, this game has proceeded through many turns with 5 very equal powers (with utgard slightly more powerful). However in that situation, I am astonished that it comes as a surprise to anyone that any sign of weakness in one of the 5 balanced powers would result in a swarm of attacks. I don't see it as particularly smart planning to pick a fight with a nation as strong as you, or to let other strong nations pick apart a dying nation while you sit on the sidelines.

I agree, Llama, I also prefer no-diplomacy games. However in a no diplo game, a weak player is just as likely to get swarmed.

illuminated One: My blood summons may not cost upkeep, but my mages and troops still do. I spent 10 turns alchemizing to recruit cap only mages, and that is a direct result of Illwinter.

Fakeymcfake · #**289** August 27th, 2009, 12:47 PM

I'm going to set the autohost on 100 hours for the next two turns. This is because I will be moving to my university on saturday and I might not be able to get online for a couple of days. With luck everything will be sorted by monday or tuesday.

Illuminated One · #**290** August 28th, 2009, 03:42 PM

It doesn't surprise R'lyeh at all. It just proves our opinions about the sentient species on this planet on which unfortunately we are shipwrecked, which is sad.

RP aside sure on average (*) it's smarter to do as you say. But that's not a strategy. No bad feelings on you (except for the things I know you did last early fall) but it doesn't make a good game imo.

(*) There are exceptions.